dont bluff mr 42

[Tuco]

I was multitabling and only looked at who villian was on the river. Peeled on the flop to bluff turn. Obv a bad move vs 42.

Comments? Mostly looking to see what others think of optimal play vs 42.

PokerStars Game #: Omaha Hi/Lo Limit ($30/$60) - 2007/01/09 - (ET)
Table ' 10-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: what is 7x6 ($1242 in chips)
Seat 2: x ($679 in chips)
Seat 3: Tuco ($1257 in chips)
Seat 5: x ($1551 in chips)
Seat 7: x ($1976.50 in chips)
Seat 8: x ($1155 in chips)
x: posts small blind $15
Tuco: posts big blind $30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Tuco [Jc Qd 4h Ac]
x: folds
x: folds
x: folds
what is 7x6: raises $30 to $60
x: calls $45
Tuco: calls $30
*** FLOP *** [9d Ks 8c]
: checks
Tuco: checks
what is 7x6: bets $30
x: folds
Tuco: calls $30
*** TURN *** [9d Ks 8c] [2c]
Tuco: checks
what is 7x6: bets $60
Tuco: raises $60 to $120
what is 7x6: calls $60
*** RIVER *** [9d Ks 8c 2c] [Js]
Tuco: bets $60
what is 7x6: calls $60
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Tuco: shows [Jc Qd 4h Ac] (HI: a pair of Jacks)
what is 7x6: mucks hand
Naslund collected $597 from pot
No low hand qualified
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $600 | Rake $3
Board [9d Ks 8c 2c Js]
Seat 1: what is 7x6 (button) mucked [6d 4s 3d 4d]
Seat 3: Tuco (big blind) showed [Jc Qd 4h Ac] and won ($597) with HI: a pair of Jacks


Tuco.

[PokerJans]

Ohpa - I guess he thought he had a low

BTW, Your flop play is to set up your turn play right? I never make any plays like this. Please explain.

Kinda bold if you ask me. I never play shorthanded online though.

[Tuco]

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Ohpa - I guess he thought he had a low

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Doubt it. He plays 100k hands a month. Think he just wants me to know not to bluff him

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BTW, Your flop play is to set up your turn play right? I never make any plays like this. Please explain.

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Ya, was going to checkraise or lead most turns. I played awful this session and quit. Won a few hundred by sheer luck.

Tuco.

[WilyTilt]

Hey Tuco - I'm mainly a PLO8 player, but I'm wondering if I could have some of your wisdom here. I'm assuming that you're assuming your check-raise on the turn is profitable against an average player.

I'm just wondering what the logic is, though. I don't think a hand with a low draw would fold this turn. Also, wouldn't your average player with just a low draw take a free card after a continuation bet on the flop?

If villain calls your check raise, are you betting if any high card comes out on the river? If he has a piece of high, do you think average player folds to a bet if the river is a high card?

If the river is a low card but not a 3, are you still betting or just check calling?

Is the assumption here that you can bluff a player with an A2 who is counterfeited by the turn?

New to the forum, long time lurker. Thanks.

[Tuco]

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I'm just wondering what the logic is, though. I don't think a hand with a low draw would fold this turn. Also, wouldn't your average player with just a low draw take a free card after a continuation bet on the flop?

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If he does check the turn behind I can pick up the pot on almost all rivers that don't bring a low. It's ok if he calls the turn with a low draw as there is a very good chance that my low draw is better than his. My call on the flop will tell most players that I flopped high. A turn cr is much stronger than a flop bet or cr so if the river blanks I will scoop alot of the time. I don't do this very often, so it is effective against players paying attention.



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If villain calls your check raise, are you betting if any high card comes out on the river? If he has a piece of high, do you think average player folds to a bet if the river is a high card?

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I'm going to bet almost all high rivers. If he has two pair or better hes calling for sure. Alot will call with AA and try and counterfeit opponents' two pair but will laydown on the river if they are unimproved. Remember that this flop is hard to hit a preflop raiser as they typically have an ace and a baby in their hand.

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If the river is a low card but not a 3, are you still betting or just check calling?

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Check calling against randoms and betting against 42 and players like him.

Tuco.

[Scott Y.]

This isn't that strange for him. That guy gets hit w/ the low+flush screwplay so often that he doesn't fold pairs any longer.

Check-calling is the new sucker's play anyway (at least vs. anyone w/ experience).