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Old 09-08-2007, 11:47 AM
Leviathan Leviathan is offline
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Default NLHE player practicing PLHE: combo draw vs raiser

0.25/0.5 PLHE game, 4 handed.
UTG (50$) min raises to 1$. It's a loose and aggressive player. It's obviously the player I want to stack at the table.

Button (100$) calls.
I call from the SB with 50$. My hand=T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
BB calls with 30$.
Outside the blinds, I'd be reluctant to play that hand.

Flop is J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4$, 4 players)
I flop an 8 out flush draw and a 3 out straight draw. Maybe i can add the 2 remaining sixes of the deck.

My plan is to let the loose aggressive preflop raiser bet. If he bets a "big" amount (almost the pot), i will check raise him, hoping to scoop the pot right now, and having 11 outs if we have a showdown.
So i check, and so does the BB.
Vilain bets the pot (i though "nice" as i would have disliked a mid sized bet), button folds.
If button had raised (or even flat called), i would have been a bit concerned about my low flush draw and the possibility to face a set.
But here I will be heads up with villain as BB will fold most of the time.
So i pot-check raise (16$) and vilain instantly shoves...
Damn damn damn...
At that time, I realize his stack is rather deep (100BB) and that I am gonna commit all my chips as a likely dog. (it would have been wiser to make the "deep stack" remark before my move obviously)
But I have to call (at least that's what i thought) and i do it quickly.

Vilain shows K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (open ended straight draw + bigger flush draw + top pair) and hits the flush on the river.
He pockets a 100$ pot [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

What is your opinion on that hand?
After a few replies, I'll give more thoughts.

Obviously, adjusting from NLHE to PLO will be tougher that I expected...
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Old 09-08-2007, 12:41 PM
blah-blah-blah blah-blah-blah is offline
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Default Re: NLHE player practicing PLHE: combo draw vs raiser

this really isn't a combo draw because ur flush draw is so bad.
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Old 09-08-2007, 01:47 PM
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Default Re: NLHE player practicing PLHE: combo draw vs raiser

I don't like it either. Your draw is very weak. Calling won't be an option because you don't no where you stand, so just pitch it.
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Old 09-09-2007, 05:09 AM
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Default Re: NLHE player practicing PLHE: combo draw vs raiser

its so pretty weak
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Old 09-09-2007, 08:48 AM
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Default Re: NLHE player practicing PLHE: combo draw vs raiser

this is the kind of hand i like to push with on the flop when i play NLHE.
Now I'll know it's a donk move in PLHE.

Merely calling on the flop for the straight capacity isn't an option? Provided i take into account i can't rely on my flush draw and won't give action if it hits?
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Old 09-09-2007, 09:49 AM
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Default Re: NLHE player practicing PLHE: combo draw vs raiser

basically combo draws come up much more often in PLO than in NLH, so you want to wait for the good ones before putting lots of money into the pot on the flop. You are much more likely to run into a bigger draw here than you are in NL.
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Old 09-09-2007, 09:52 AM
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Default Re: NLHE player practicing PLHE: combo draw vs raiser

this is very spewey to c/r this, you are only getting called by hands that are all over you
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