floppin top 2 deep

[craig1120]

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don't raise the flop, and don't call a shove this deep

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[Get_better_Baris]

1.i dont consider >200bb deep
2. i didnt know party poker players were phil ivey and would fold all worse hands and push sets and nice combo draws.
3. certain players only lead sets and and great draws into pfr. with no read we cannot say this.he could very well be leading just tp.
4. sorry if he had 444

u r good here the A HUGE AMOUNT OF TIME.if not,its called a cooler.

[Get_better_Baris]

its -ev for me to ask this and question your strat. but wtf r u guys thinking seriously?
i guess this is why i beat so many 2p2ers and fish.
i cant believe people r agreeing with him
i mean if u guys r scared money and wanna get better equity on the turn vs draws(if u know he'll lead a big draw again once called and u can move all in)or to "trap" kq,aq just say it lol.

[craig1120]

I guess it depends on how much more likely you think villain plays 44 like this compared to an A high FD. Calling/Folding can be proven either way based on this. My frequency of 44 here would be much greater as villain in general but could be different for this guy. If he plays his A high FD like this all the time against everyone I think he is spewing pretty badly.

I think playing 44 + combo draws like this is reasonable for villain and I think against this range it's a fold but didn't use pokerstove.

[Get_better_Baris]

How about this wonderful fact. There are a more combos for fd's than 444 and maybe long shot jjj(which can't 100% be ruled out since u raised utg and some players just call pre wit it but its still very small chance of this).
U get ai on flop
Guess what u do next
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Wait 4 it
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Look that what he's playing this way and take a NOTE on how he plays certain hands. This will be most important thing gained in this spot long term if u play vs opp. More than once.

[WelshChip]

hmm

ATss = 1 combo, KTss = 1 combo, ajss = 1 combo, KJss = 1 combo, 9Tss = 1 combo, JTss = 1 combo.

against a range of this and 44 we are 42%. we need 44.5% to call.

I think his range is prtty much narrowed to this, you may disagree however. I also didn't include JJ.

[TheJared]

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I havnt posted in a very long time but some of the respones in this thread r gross

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Its bizzaro world tonight on 2p2.

Raise more on the flop, call a push. Sorry he had a set.

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cool get in vs range that crushes us

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If his range crushes you here its because you are a nit or he is a nit or both. I disagree that people only get in with hands bigger then ours on this board and think we have pretty good equity here versus most reasonable players.

Just because we are deep doesnt mean we are crushed when we get it in on drawy boards with top two.

[Colombo]

standard raise/easy call.

[Get_better_Baris]

That's almost worst case scenario range.since we don't have reads on his leads Lets add in some tp types and k10s(different suit) 910s(different suit) maybe j9s or suited aces or in that suit. In a close spot u should lean towards calling.and you made it the the tighest u could with that range and still is still auto call. It funny because any real money poker player will never disagree with what the good ones have said here vs 28vpip wit no reads on his leads or how often he does lead.. Auto raise n call

[J. Sawyer]

wtf why is your raise so small on the flop?