Need help finding a post

[Taso]

I've tried quite a few different searches with no luck.

I can't remember exactly, but I feel the post included qoutes from several founding fathers, maybe Madison and Jefferson, regarding the general welfare clause? Or maybe it was saying that there was no specific part of the constitution that allowed for ______ (I feel like it said, "point me to the clause that allows this ___" I can't remember exactly.

It was very recent, maybe two days ago.

Anyone remember it?

[MiloMinderbinder]

Try this:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/po...ics&page=0

[bdk3clash]

Is this it?

[Taso]

hmm, Milo, that link just brought me to the main politics page?

bdk, the one by John Kidluf was not it.

[Taso]

Alright, after a day of going through the past 10 pages and searching each thread specifically, I guess it was the one bdk posted, written by John, as well as one written by Alex M that caught my attention.

"James Madison, in explaining the Constitution in Federalist Paper No. 45, said, "The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce."

Thomas Jefferson said, "Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but only those specifically enumerated."

Madison said, "If Congress can do whatever in their discretion can be done by money, and will promote the general welfare, the government is no longer a limited one possessing enumerated powers, but an indefinite one subject to particular exceptions."


"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators."


Anywho, thanks for posting those fellas, great qoutes when discussing the general welfare clause.

Mods can delete this thread if they see fit :P

Taso

[PLOlover]

it's a credit to the commies or new world order or elites or neofeudalists or whatever you call them that students nowadays find it hard to believe that the state is not all powerful and that power doesn't flow from the state. you know, in theory.

[Borodog]

"I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents . . . "

James Madison

Too little too late, Jimbo.

[Taso]

lmao, wow. I KNEW I didn't imagine it. That's it exactly borodog. What thread was that in?

Thanks a lot.


Edit - AHHH, the one thread I didn't think it could possibly be in, the California fires thread. Doh. Thanks to inthedark for posting that as well.
Also, if anyone knows, what is that qoute from? Federalist papers?

[PLOlover]

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...3/ai_n16720180

[PLOlover]

http://www.lewrockwell.com/suprynowi...ynowicz47.html

basically same, but note this

[ QUOTE ]
A constitutional amendment (the 18th, since repealed) was required to outlaw alcohol nationwide. When was the constitutional amendment ratified which authorizes the similar outlawing of marijuana, cocaine, and opium? What is its number?

[/ QUOTE ]

totally awesome argument I had never heard before.