Pretty basic second pair hand (happens a lot)

[bellatrix]

ok, i guess i just got flustered when everybody (including me) but one folded and the turn was the 9. Now that I see it again, fold was pretty easy. how about agains 2 opponents, but with good odds?

[bozlax]

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ok, i guess i just got flustered when everybody (including me) but one folded and the turn was the 9. Now that I see it again, fold was pretty easy. how about agains 2 opponents, but with good odds?

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You know the answer to this one.

<font color="white"> Raisy-daisy. </font>

[bellatrix]

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ok, i guess i just got flustered when everybody (including me) but one folded and the turn was the 9. Now that I see it again, fold was pretty easy. how about agains 2 opponents, but with good odds?

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You know the answer to this one.

<font color="white"> Raisy-daisy. </font>

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God, that took me like forever to figure out.

[KitCloudkicker]

It is mind-boggling to me that this is a clear fold for everyone wherease a few weeks earlier, everyone wanted to call with JT on a board of QTx with the same horrible position.

(btw yes this is a clear fold).

make up your minds!

oh, i guess Aaron hasnt weighed in yet. he started it all last time

[B2_eBoogaloo]

fwiw I said fold that JT too...

[Bulletproof Monk]

i call here.

i call a lot.

[Aaron W.]

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oh, i guess Aaron hasnt weighed in yet. he started it all last time

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There are a couple significant differences between this hand and the other one.

This hand: 89o on a Q94 flush draw board
Other hand: JTs on a QT7 flush draw board

Difference #1: No backdoor flush draw this time
Difference #2: Backdoor straight draw needs to hit two inside cards this time
Difference #3: Backdoor straight draw brings hero to an idiot straight this time
Difference #4: 1 of 5 villains (20%) have acted in this hand as opposed to 3 of 7 (42%) villains in the other (including a check and a fold)
Difference #5: Extra BB in the pot due to the two extra preflop limpers (33% bigger pot)

They're not the same. This is a pretty safe fold. The other is an okay peel if the players behind are passive.

[sparky3474]

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This reminds me of another post earlier in the week, ur position is pretty horrible here esp with 5 more to act. Also u have to discount the 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] cause it's likely that someone could be on a fd therefore u can only rly count 2 outs for ur 8's.

We're gunna be up against so many hands that can out draw us as well as being in a horrible rio spot (ie A9/K9/Q9/J9/T9, the last 2 not being as bad but still got us beat!)

So long way round it's an easy fold.

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I think you are talking about a hand I posted from SSHE which I have thought about quite a bit. This one has half the pot and about one third the outs 2 vs 6.5 and may not even be a winner on lots of those. This has to be a fold