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Old 09-23-2007, 01:12 PM
QTip QTip is offline
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Default Re: Laak and Esfandiari fold AQ UTG

In all my AQ UTG expiences, I'm up like $20. If you play cautiously, I think it helps teh shania.
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Old 09-23-2007, 01:14 PM
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Default Re: Laak and Esfandiari fold AQ UTG

stuff like 68s plays a lot better in a lot of the games that they play in than AQo.
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Old 09-23-2007, 01:18 PM
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Default Re: Laak and Esfandiari fold AQ UTG

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In all my AQ UTG expiences, I'm up like $20. If you play cautiously, I think it helps teh shania.

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AQ is fine in the right spots - say one or two really aggy maniacs who ramp it up postflop with crap is an excellent spot to raise or even limp AQo UTG. Or LAPs who can't let it go.

It's just you play AQ, you get limpers, and an Ace-rag-rag lands, you really are hard pressed to extract from weaker hands, and if they start calling and raising, where exactly are you at?

I'd rather play 64s or Axs UTG than AQo.
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Old 09-23-2007, 01:22 PM
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Default Re: Laak and Esfandiari fold AQ UTG

Yeah, I'm with you there.
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Old 09-23-2007, 01:32 PM
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Default Re: Laak and Esfandiari fold AQ UTG

I play live, 9-handed.

I fold AQo UTG every time.

People call raises, even big raises, preflop a lot more live than on line. And they don't fold live to cb's as often as online. So, the reverse implied odds of playing a big pot OOP with missed overcards or TPWK/TPTK make folding AQ UTG much better than raising. I know it's true live becaue I used to raise it up, and learned the hard way that it's better to fold.

If online is different, I have no idea.

As for whether it is a litmus test for turning pro, I have no idea. It probably "depends" on the kind of game you're playing. 6-max or heads up, for example, perhaps raising AQo would be no-brainer even for a pro. FR on line, I would suspect folding AQo is probably best, but I don't have as much experience at higher limits on line to know.

Sometimes, if there isn't a lot of preflop raising at the table, I'll limp/fold AQs/AJs UTG and play for a small pot with TP vs a few players. They rarely put me on that hand, and I can fold easily if I get much resistance. I win a good number of small-to-medium pots this way that I probably would have won less with (or paid more with to find out I'm behind) if I'd raised preflop.
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Old 09-23-2007, 02:12 PM
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Default Re: Laak and Esfandiari fold AQ UTG

in aggressive games a 66+ AQs+ AKo type range with some mixed in decent suited hands is probably optimal

i raise a range which includes 22+ and AQo utg and tons of suited connectors, and this works fine for me, but you just have to understand that in order to make a range like that work you have to be auto 2nd barreling in a ton of spots.
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Old 09-23-2007, 03:17 PM
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Default Re: Laak and Esfandiari fold AQ UTG

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a) Laak and Esfandiari suck at poker

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Old 09-23-2007, 03:31 PM
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Default Re: Laak and Esfandiari fold AQ UTG

Well it seems that this subject is pretty well covered. Although a 5/10nl player talking about going pro to an actual pro...I'd laugh it up pretty good if i was playing 25/50nl - 50/100nl ... that aside. AQos is just ugly...I think from under the gun your looking to play a big pot and you don't really want to be doing this AQos. I mean(obv. dependant on the table and how hot the waitress is) I'm not happy stacking off unless your flopping two pair or some flush draw with the ace. Perhaps this is just 200nl online nl thinking but the hell if i wanna do this at a live table...although dam its boring just to sit there.
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Old 09-23-2007, 03:32 PM
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Default Re: Laak and Esfandiari fold AQ UTG

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lol
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Old 09-23-2007, 03:35 PM
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a) Laak and Esfandiari suck at poker

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lol

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yea...I hope you're leveling
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