5/10 What level is Derek thinking on?

Xaston · #1 09-18-2007, 03:30 AM

Derek is a personal friend of mine. We went to High School together, played soccer together, and even played in a home game together.

I started taking poker seriously a little before him and was a better and more successful player for a bit, but he really buckled down and studied the game. He then proceeded to play like a machine and is now one of the top 5/10 NL players on the internet, and I'm a lowly 2/4 grinder.

During my recent bad stretch I asked him if, as a personal favor, I could sweat him during a session and try and pick up some things. He did this, and watched me play for a bit and pointed out some things he thought I should work on.

Alotofaction was playing 5/10, which he basically never does, so I decided to move up for the session. Unfortunately Derek, as usual, was there.

First we played the following hand:

Dealt to Xaston [Th As]
Xaston: raises $20 to $30
LotsOfLooove: folds
Alotofaction: folds
DerekJC9954: calls $25
Alice1942: folds
*** FLOP *** [6h 4s Ad]
DerekJC9954: checks
Xaston: bets $55
DerekJC9954: raises $85 to $140
Xaston: calls $85
*** TURN *** [6h 4s Ad] [Qh]
DerekJC9954: checks
Xaston: checks
*** RIVER *** [6h 4s Ad Qh] [Qd]
DerekJC9954: bets $280
Xaston: calls $280
*** SHOW DOWN ***
DerekJC9954: shows [7d 6d] (two pair, Queens and Sixes)
Xaston: shows [Th As] (two pair, Aces and Queens)
Xaston collected $908 from pot

Literally 8 minutes later, the following hand happens:

Dealt to Xaston [Qd Qs]
Xaston: raises $20 to $30
LotsOfLooove: folds
Alotofaction: folds
DerekJC9954: calls $25
Alice1942: folds
*** FLOP *** [5c 2d Ks]
DerekJC9954: checks
Xaston: bets $55
DerekJC9954: raises $85 to $140
Xaston: calls $85
*** TURN *** [5c 2d Ks] [Jh]
DerekJC9954: checks
Xaston: checks
*** RIVER *** [5c 2d Ks Jh] [6c]
DerekJC9954: bets $290

I start the hand with $1650 and he covers if anyone is thinking anything crazy.

Hoopster81 · #2 09-18-2007, 03:33 AM

probably on the level that he expects you to look him up light

unless he thinks you're really good

Gary Stevenson · #3 09-18-2007, 03:40 AM

the fact that he bet $290 this time must mean that he wants you to fold, if he had bet $280 against it's an instacall! [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

seriously though, i think it's probably a fold. i know in my experience i hate taking the same bluff line only to get looked up twice. though he could be on the next level and knows that we know that...any more levels and my head will start to hurt

winningfish · #4 09-18-2007, 03:46 AM

If I was him and I know you called and saw my bluff last time, this time I play the hand the same way when I got the top pair. I would expect you to have learned from the previous hand and think that I would adjust my playing this time but I do the exact same thing. By the time the same river bet comes out, I would know that you know that I would probably not be doing the same bluff again, and therefore you are more likely to fold. I would also know that if you suspect I do have a hand that you would think I might play the hand the same way. So you should probably call here as played, but I think if a turn raise would've been decent also.