Taking Advantage of Mr. Preflop Aggressor

that_pope · #1 08-24-2007, 07:12 PM

Villain in this hand has been going absolutely crazy preflop, open raising close to or above 50% of the possible hands preflop when it is unopened to him for at least 3 orbits. He does so again in early MP, and I threebet in the CO with 66. Everyone folds, he 4 bets, and I call.

Flop comes AQQ, and he bets, and I call. This flop either hit him huge, or he is scared, especially since I rarely 3 bet.

Turn comes a 3, suits irrelevent, he bets, and I raise.....

Thoughts?

TiK · #2 08-24-2007, 07:26 PM

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Villain in this hand has been going absolutely crazy preflop

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How about post-flop? Would he keep betting regardless of his hand?

that_pope · #3 08-24-2007, 07:31 PM

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Villain in this hand has been going absolutely crazy preflop

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How about post-flop? Would he keep betting regardless of his hand?

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He wouldn't go multiple bets without a strong hand. He could keep firing blanks until faced with resistance basically. I obviously can't call down here, so I either fold or raise I believe...

ssmallz · #4 08-24-2007, 07:36 PM

I assume this is a free showdown play/semibluff and you plan on checking the river hoping he will fold a 6 out hand like J9 or other bs. I like

that_pope · #5 08-24-2007, 07:49 PM

On top of that, I am hoping he folds any hand that doesn't include a Q or an A, so that goes up to KK...which should be foldable in this spot.

And a hand like KJ has so many outs against me, that I wouldn't want it continuing either. KJ has 13 outs against me lowly 66.

surfdoc · #6 08-25-2007, 12:51 AM

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On top of that, I am hoping he folds any hand that doesn't include a Q or an A, so that goes up to KK...which should be foldable in this spot.

And a hand like KJ has so many outs against me, that I wouldn't want it continuing either. KJ has 13 outs against me lowly 66.

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I wouldn't want to get in a habit of trying to play this big a pot against a guy who caps preflop and bets both streets into a you who he has to perceive as a tight player. You don't give us nearly enough information to know if he can fold anything postflop or how agressively he will push JJ on this board after you call his flop bet. That being said, if you are intent on taking a stand on this hand and showing this down, then I really like a free SD raise here and give him a chance to fold bigger pairs and draws. Overall though the whole thing is -EV unless there is a read you aren't giving us.

BillD · #7 08-25-2007, 04:21 AM

Sometimes even a blind squirrel finds the nuts. I'd have folded on the flop. Pre-flop, fold or cold call if you think you others will come in behind you.

HOWMANY · #8 08-25-2007, 05:14 AM

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I obviously can't call down here

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Why not?

Anyway, if you are going to turn your hand into a bluff it is cheaper to just raise flop and bet turn.

Hass · #9 08-25-2007, 05:14 AM

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Pre-flop, fold or cold call if you think you others will come in behind you.

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I think a 3-bet is pretty standard here.

BillD · #10 08-25-2007, 06:01 AM

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Pre-flop, fold or cold call if you think you others will come in behind you.

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I think a 3-bet is pretty standard here.

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With a bigger pair, Yes. Remember he is only open raising 50% of the time (which is a lot but he still has something better than average) and he is in early MP (4 off the button.

The problem with isolating with 66 is he could easily have 77 or better and then you're way behind. You need the other callers to give you odds to hit the set. You still have 3 players to act behind you and you could get 4-bet as happened in this case. You're just marginally ahead against 2 overcards, and have to dodge overcards on the board guessing which 2 he may have.

When you isolate, you are hoping to have him dominated, either by you having a bigger pair, bigger kicker, him having just one overcard or a hand that you can outplay him by virtue of you position.