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Old 08-24-2007, 02:01 PM
L'ennemi. L'ennemi. is offline
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For obvious reasons, it's higly likely that private schools are more efficient than public schools.
However, it is not a good argument against the existence of public schools, unless you don't understand the reason for public education.
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Old 08-24-2007, 03:22 PM
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Wow, there are people that still belive that public schools are efficient?
If so they probably got their education at public schools [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
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Old 08-24-2007, 03:39 PM
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For obvious reasons, it's higly likely that private schools are more efficient than public schools.
However, it is not a good argument against the existence of public schools, unless you don't understand the reason for public education.

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Which is?
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Old 08-24-2007, 03:52 PM
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For obvious reasons, it's higly likely that private schools are more efficient than public schools.
However, it is not a good argument against the existence of public schools, unless you don't understand the reason for public education.

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Which is?

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THE REASON. ldo

You must not understand it.
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Old 08-24-2007, 03:54 PM
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For obvious reasons, it's higly likely that private schools are more efficient than public schools.
However, it is not a good argument against the existence of public schools, unless you don't understand the reason for public education.

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Which is?

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Well, there are two reasons:

1. Ensure that every child gets an education

2. Give children something to do besides work in a sweatshop.
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Old 08-24-2007, 04:27 PM
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For obvious reasons, it's higly likely that private schools are more efficient than public schools.
However, it is not a good argument against the existence of public schools, unless you don't understand the reason for public education.

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Which is?

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Well, there are two reasons:

1. Ensure that every child gets an education

2. Give children something to do besides work in a sweatshop.

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I tend to believe that anyone should be free to choose if they prefer to get such an education or not. I for one would find it hard to be able to judge what is good for a child or not, at least I don't think I could judge that better than the child itself or its parents.

Humor me and assume for a second that there was no state provided education. I'm pretty sure that the following would happen:
1) There would be some pretty cheap schools and it would be affordable for everyone to attend school. Not everyone would get to attend a great school but that's not the idea anyways
2) There would be quite a bit more self study and some system of recruitment into the workforce based on self study
3) There would be way more scholarships and recruiting of talent meaning that intelligent but poor kids would actually be better off
4) Companies would start their own school programms and waive the fees if you work for them later or something of that kind

p.s.: "Giving someone something to do" is never a good idea especially not if combined with forcing them to do it. Do you expect everyone who is forced into school behaves nicely, will get along with everyone else and will not reduce the overall experience of the education for the others?
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Old 08-24-2007, 04:28 PM
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For anyone interested in the bad things of public education, ideas on what kind of education is actually helpful, and the history of education over the centuries and why it got instituted and what function it ACTUALLY has.

John Taylor Gatto
* The Guerrilla Curriculum (1)
* Compiled Thoughts On Schooling (1)
* Compiled Thoughts On Schooling (2)
http://www.altruists.org/downloads/b...ers/education/
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John Taylor Gatto (born John Gatto) is an American retired school teacher of 29 years 8 months and author of several books on education. He is an activist critical of compulsory schooling and the hegemonic nature of discourse on education and the education professions.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Taylor_Gatto

He climaxed his teaching career as New York State Teacher of the Year after being named New York City Teacher of the Year on three occasions. He quit teaching on the OP ED page of the Wall Street Journal in 1991 while still New York State Teacher of the Year, claiming that he was no longer willing to hurt children. Later that year he was the subject of a show at Carnegie Hall called "An Evening With John Taylor Gatto," which launched a career of public speaking in the area of school reform, which has taken Gatto over a million and a half miles in all fifty states and seven foreign countries. In 1992, he was named Secretary of Education in the Libertarian Party Shadow Cabinet, and he has been included in Who's Who in America from 1996 on. In 1997, he was given the Alexis de Tocqueville Award for his contributions to the cause of liberty, and was named to the Board of Advisors of the National TV-Turnoff Week.

His books include: Dumbing Us Down: The Hidden Curriculum of Compulsory Schooling (1992); The Exhausted School (1993); A Different Kind of Teacher (2000); and The Underground History Of American Education (2001)

http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/aboutus/john.htm
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Old 08-24-2007, 04:40 PM
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For obvious reasons, it's higly likely that private schools are more efficient than public schools.
However, it is not a good argument against the existence of public schools, unless you don't understand the reason for public education.

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Which is?

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Well, there are two reasons:

1. Ensure that every child gets an education

2. Give children something to do besides work in a sweatshop.

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Wow, double fallacy!
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Old 08-24-2007, 04:56 PM
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the main purpose of public education is to give every child the opportunity to get an education. The system often fails but in my opinion it is better thant no trying.
No public school-> poor children have no opportunity to sucess in life -> a free society that is not so free.
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Old 08-24-2007, 04:59 PM
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the main purpose of public education is to give every child the opportunity to get an education.

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So help me understand. You are saying that by taking away someone's freedom and by physically forcing them to do things you are actually giving them more opportunities?
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