Did I accidently muck my hand?(ruling question)

[Stu Pidasso]

Three players including myself are in the hand. River card pairs the board but also makes my straight. I'm first to act and I bet out. I thought I heard the next person to act say "call" and I turn my attention to the last person to act(who folds). I turn my cards over and reveal my straight. Apparently my lone opponent had declared a raise and I misheard him. He claimed by revealing my hand without calling his raise meant I mucked. The floor ruled my hand was still in play because it was clear I was revealing my cards and did not intend to muck them(I turned them over in place and did not toss them into the muck).

Did the floor make the correct decision?

Stu

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Yes.

Mucking your hand means you took it and palced it into the muck. Anyone that asks that a hand that beats theirs be killed so they can win doesn't really need to play in my room.

[jafeather]

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Did the floor make the correct decision?


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Yes.

Mucking your hand means you took it and palced it into the muck. Anyone that asks that a hand that beats theirs be killed so they can win doesn't really need to play in my room.

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I disagree. While you may not have "mucked" your hand, you did reveal it while there was still action. In that case, I believe it should be ruled dead. If not, then any time a person bets and you are last to act you could turn your hand face up in an effort to force a tell from your opponent.

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Did the floor make the correct decision?


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Yes.

Mucking your hand means you took it and palced it into the muck. Anyone that asks that a hand that beats theirs be killed so they can win doesn't really need to play in my room.

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I disagree. While you may not have "mucked" your hand, you did reveal it while there was still action. In that case, I believe it should be ruled dead. If not, then any time a person bets and you are last to act you could turn your hand face up in an effort to force a tell from your opponent.

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This is an acceptable action as long as it does not happen every hand to slow the game. The only places that kill hands for behing turned faced up are places that are unfamiliar with poker.

[phish]

Yes. The other guy's an angle-shooting lowlife.

[psandman]

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Anyone that asks that a hand that beats theirs be killed so they can win doesn't really need to play in my room.

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This isn't entirely fair Randy. There are apparently enough places run by people who have these silly nitty rules that a player whose primary poker experience is from one of these rooms isn't really acting unreasonably when he tries to have these rules used to his benefit.

Joe Blow plays in his local casino. He exposes his cards early one day and has his hand killed in a big pot. He sees this thing happen all the time in his local room. Now he comes out to play at your room.e's in a big hand and the other player exposes early. Is he really out of line to call for a decision because he thinks the rules are that the hand is dead? Of course he's not out of line (He may get out of line when you make your ruling but that is a different animal).

[steamboatin]

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I disagree. While you may not have "mucked" your hand, you did reveal it while there was still action. In that case, I believe it should be ruled dead. If not, then any time a person bets and you are last to act you could turn your hand face up in an effort to force a tell from your opponent.

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I am pretty sure this is a tourney rule. OP didn't say if it was a tourney or a cash game. Where I play, you can play your hand face up in a cash game but intentionally exposing your hand in a tourney gets it killed.

[MaverickUSC]

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Did the floor make the correct decision?


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Yes.

Mucking your hand means you took it and palced it into the muck. Anyone that asks that a hand that beats theirs be killed so they can win doesn't really need to play in my room.

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I disagree. While you may not have "mucked" your hand, you did reveal it while there was still action. In that case, I believe it should be ruled dead. If not, then any time a person bets and you are last to act you could turn your hand face up in an effort to force a tell from your opponent.

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This is a rule generally adopted from TDA rules that state that you cannot expose your hand to induce or reduce action. Stupid rule in and of itself, simply because it takes away from the purity of the game. Poker is a game of people and psychology, not of cards. Anyways, I have never seen this rule implemented in a cash game, nor should it ever be. This hand is live, period, and the player may do whatever he feels proper at this moment.

I mean seriously, how is it better for the game for this hand to be killed, for any reason much less the obvious one of the guy made a human mistake? Talk about bad for the game.

Devo

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Anyone that asks that a hand that beats theirs be killed so they can win doesn't really need to play in my room.

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This isn't entirely fair Randy. There are apparently enough places run by people who have these silly nitty rules that a player whose primary poker experience is from one of these rooms isn't really acting unreasonably when he tries to have these rules used to his benefit.

Joe Blow plays in his local casino. He exposes his cards early one day and has his hand killed in a big pot. He sees this thing happen all the time in his local room. Now he comes out to play at your room.e's in a big hand and the other player exposes early. Is he really out of line to call for a decision because he thinks the rules are that the hand is dead? Of course he's not out of line (He may get out of line when you make your ruling but that is a different animal).

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Well they need a quick education. I will give them this slack, but I stand by the general premise that if you know the other guy has the best hand but you want the pot awarded to you instead you are at some level shooting an angle.

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I disagree. While you may not have "mucked" your hand, you did reveal it while there was still action. In that case, I believe it should be ruled dead. If not, then any time a person bets and you are last to act you could turn your hand face up in an effort to force a tell from your opponent.

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I am pretty sure this is a tourney rule. OP didn't say if it was a tourney or a cash game. Where I play, you can play your hand face up in a cash game but intentionally exposing your hand in a tourney gets it killed.

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Well enough out of the way places had that rule that in 2004 the TDA added "A player who exposes his cards during the play may incur a penalty, but will not have his hand killed." The one good thing to come out of the TDA is was to give some guidelines to places that have no idea about poker.