AKo <-- should I just fold it pre-flop?

[MFpoker]

I must give this hand too much credit because it's one of my biggest net loss hands. I'd like to share a couple hands and get your input on how I could have done things differently and won (or lost less).

Hand #1
Villian is 26.21/1.94/0.43 after 101 hands

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG ($58.75)
Hero ($59.05)
MP1 ($14.90)
MP2 ($88.05)
CO ($51.65)
Button ($78.30)
SB ($58.05)
BB ($10)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, SB calls $1.75, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: ($4.50) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $3</font>, SB calls $3.

Turn: ($10.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $5</font>, SB calls $5.

River: ($20.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: $20.50

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
SB has 6c 6s (two pair, sixes and fours).
Hero has As Kh (one pair, fours).
Outcome: SB wins $20.50. </font>

Hand #2
Villian is 50.0/4.17/2.00 after 25 hands

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($18.10)
SB ($29.50)
Hero ($51.25)
UTG ($67.35)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB completes, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2</font>, SB calls $1.50.

Flop: ($4) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $1.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $3</font>, SB calls $1.50.

Turn: ($10) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $2</font>, Hero calls $2.

River: ($14) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $3</font>, Hero calls $3.

Final Pot: $20

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
SB has Kh 4h (flush, king high).
Hero has Ks Ah (three of a kind, aces).
Outcome: SB wins $20. </font>

[Keys Myaths]

Hand 1: Check behind on the turn most times. If he's calling on a flop like that, he most likely has you beat.

Hand 2: You deserved that. STOP MINRAISING!

[Unknown Soldier]

1: why are you betting the turn, what do you think villain has?

2: what are you trying to accomplish by that min-raise?

[Fore59]

No, you shouldn't fold it preflop.

Hand 1: The guy's numbers seem to indicate he's a complete call station. Wait until you get a hand to bet into this guy. Guys like him are not going to fold.

Hand 2: Keys is exactly right. You need to raise to about $6. Make him pay to draw to that flush.

[LateFlag]

Hand 1: I would have bet a little more on the flop. Then I feel pretty comfortable giving up when called.

Hand 2: I raise more on the flop, probably bumping it $5 or $6 or so. As played I want to raise the turn.

Also, don't post results.

[4_2_it]

Hand 1 -- You are either WA/WB on the turn. Check and take a free card. I wouldn't bother bluffing at the river becuase every PP is looking you up.

Hand 2 -- Raise the flop to $8. Then you can check the turn behind and draw to teh nuts and plan to call a small river bet.

[LateFlag]

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Hand 2 -- Raise the flop to $8. Then you can check the turn behind and draw to teh nuts and plan to call a small river bet.

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I have a question about the turn play on this one. My inclination is to get my chips in here, and the reason why I think that is because 1) I might very well have the best hand and 2) if I'm behind, I've got 9 outs to a nut hand that isn't getting much additional action if it hits.

Does this reasoning have any validity, or am I way off base?

[JustChillin]

1. either check the turn or if you have a good read, pot it, betting less doesnt accomplish much

2. raise to like 6-7 over his 1.50 bet

[MFpoker]

ya the pre-flop re-raises are something i definitely need to work on.

as far as the second hand, I was convinced this guy was just trying to push me around because he was so loose and moderately aggressive.

as far as posting results, i've seen many people post results hidden in white colored text. is this still not OK?

[LateFlag]

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as far as posting results, i've seen many people post results hidden in white colored text. is this still not OK?

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When people can see the results of the hand, it tends to bias their responses, so it's usually a good idea to leave them out.

Similarly, if there's one particular action you have a question about, it's usually recommended that you cut off the hand history at that particular point. Otherwise people sometimes get results-oriented when they see the action on later streets.