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Old 09-12-2007, 09:15 PM
kylephilly kylephilly is offline
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Default Pair and a Flush Draw

How bad is this play?

I've been making it alot with pairs and flush draws, yet to hit the flush and am usually up against a set or 2pair?

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Old 09-12-2007, 09:34 PM
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Default Re: Pair and a Flush Draw

I flat call flop & hope first dude shoves.
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Old 09-12-2007, 09:40 PM
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Default Re: Pair and a Flush Draw

I don't like it that much in a limped pot since when you get action, you're usually not up against TPTK and some ragged two pair that has you in a 2:3 situation is more likely.

It's definitely a high variance play but you usually collect enough in folds to make up for the times where you are up against 2-pair or better.
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Old 09-12-2007, 09:47 PM
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Default Re: Pair and a Flush Draw

Well, you make this semi-bluff for a combination of fold equity and decent equity against the villain's calling range. Here, neither are likely. You're in a multiway pot, making it likely that someone has hit the flop hard, giving you minimal fold equity (especially against a bet and raise on the flop). Plus, your equity against a villain's calling range is likely to be no more than what you'd have with a standard flush draw; the lack of preflop strength followed by postflop strength suggests two pair at worst, a strong ace is unlikely as it would have raised preflop.

These combo draws are best played aggressively in heads up pot against a flop CB, eg villain raises in MP preflop and you call with Q7s (dubious, but we'll use it for the example). You put him on 22+ AQ+, AJs, KQs. Flop comes A7x, two spades. The villain makes a CB, and you make an aggressive raise. You have fold equity against underpairs to the ace, are about even to a wide part of the villan's calling range (his Ax hands which pair the board, maybe KsQs), and are only in trouble against sets, but even then you aren't drawing dead).

Make a note that villain open limps with A4o.
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Old 09-12-2007, 11:15 PM
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Default Re: Pair and a Flush Draw

How about this, do you play this any differently?

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Old 09-12-2007, 11:17 PM
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Default Re: Pair and a Flush Draw

You're in lots better shape in the second one: your outs are much cleaner and villain is short anyway
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Old 09-12-2007, 11:18 PM
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Default Re: Pair and a Flush Draw

2nd hand: I don't think so, but it's really hard to read sorting through hand history & trying to figure out action/stack sizes while playing at the same time. Converter would rock.
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Old 09-12-2007, 11:22 PM
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Converter would rock.

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Where can i get one for UB? None I found worked
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