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Old 04-29-2007, 08:44 PM
FionnMac FionnMac is offline
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Default Re: can i fold this? i really want to

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btw, i just want to reiterate how shocked i am that multiple people in this thread think kk-qq is in his hand range

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my bad, i thought mp was the bettor on the river, youre right obv bb never has kk/qq. J-x is possible though i think.
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Old 04-29-2007, 08:46 PM
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Default Re: can i fold this? i really want to

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Fold preflop. Ur gettin 3:1 on river . I can c QQ or KK vbetting, and they take this same line IMO. I call here

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Don't take this personally but why do people say fold pre w/o any knowledge of villain, game conditions, etc. Villain may be so bad that calling w/ any 2 is +EV. Also, I think you almost never see QQ or KK here.
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Old 04-29-2007, 08:48 PM
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Default Re: can i fold this? i really want to

OK im lower limits but will take a shot at this..BB's calling range is 22-99, KQs?, A4-A5s, AJ-AQs, (AK if MP is tight enough)

Maybe he plays JJ like this but doubtful so i rule that out. Most other hands hes most likey checking flop. I see him raising A3, A4c-A5c, A10-AQ on the turn here and he has to figure a set would reraise him at this point and AJ would raise the flop so he feels ok going to river. River bet seems odd, if hes straight forward though he must know hes getting only value at this point from some hand that had only a pair by the turn. Bluffing w/ that bet on river seems kind of marginal for a tight player, as your only getting value out of very few hands which i suppose includes yours

I guess i fold to a straight foward player, call a tricky player, unless history would say otherwise

my 2 pennies....
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Old 04-29-2007, 08:50 PM
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Default Re: can i fold this? i really want to

he's getting 3.75-1 preflop, his range is a lot wider than that.
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Old 04-29-2007, 08:52 PM
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Default Re: can i fold this? i really want to

bet flop, fold river
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Old 04-29-2007, 08:54 PM
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Default Re: can i fold this? i really want to

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bet flop, fold river

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seabeast, why do you bet this flop?
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Old 04-29-2007, 08:56 PM
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Default Re: can i fold this? i really want to

yes your right i should have included hands that take that line as well like 45s, maybe 46c as well, which would also maybe sense
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Old 04-29-2007, 09:00 PM
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i don't see how betting flop is bad, worse hands call as well.
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Old 04-29-2007, 09:10 PM
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btw, i just want to reiterate how shocked i am that multiple people in this thread think kk-qq is in his hand range

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Old 04-29-2007, 09:29 PM
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btw, i just want to reiterate how shocked i am that multiple people in this thread think kk-qq is in his hand range

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i misread the hand, i thought the pf raiser was betting, and i would imagine other people did too.
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