A big hand in the tilt 1k vs random and tmay420

[Bond18]

My stack: 13,500
Tmay: 5300
Hijack: 3800

Hijack is total unknown, hadn't seen much out of him and this is like my 4th table of the tournament so no read on him.

Here's some important previous action, all with tmay on the table:

about 3-4 rounds ago the CO with 3300 raised to 600 and i jammed from SB with 77, and he called with KTcc and i won the flip.


A few rounds ago (3ish?) timex with 8k stack raised to 550 utg+1, i called with 14k behind, tmay with 7500 made it 1800, and the guy behind him shoves for 7k total, it folds back to tmay and he folds.

I've seen tmay in numerous examples from the past make some aggro-tard plays in spots like this where theres a lot of money in the middle with mid pairs.

Other than those key hands i hadn't really been abusing my stack with resteals by any means, and things had been quiet for a round or two.

Hero holds XX in the SB, tmay is BB, open raiser is hijack.
Blinds 120/240

Preflop: Folds to hijack, hijack raises to 680, folds to hero, hero reraises to 2100, tmay shoves for 5300, OR calls all in for 3800, hero?


Whats your calling range?

Also note that if i call and win i'll have the 2nd largest stack in the tournament with about 90 left and 27 paying, so if gigabet dilemma plays into your consideration at all it could be a factor.

[Clayton]

id be willing to call here with lots of ATs ish hands, but will prob fold 77

[Bond18]

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id be willing to call here with lots of ATs ish hands, but will prob fold 77

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Why does ATs>77 in your mind here?

[Sherman]

The problem in this hand is the original raiser. We don't really know if he has been paying attention or knows anything about Tmay (like Bond does).

If he does, our calling range gets wider. If he doesn't, our calling range shrinks. My vote is to call with TT+,AQ+. Too tight?

[mastr]

way too tight, don't know the right range yet.

[NoXiousNuts]

Unfortunately I think you call with ATC now.

If this ended up turning out poorly, I think the problem is with the initial reraise and not with the calling of the all ins too loosely. Once you put the initial reraise in, I think you've committed yourself to calling in the instance that TMAY shoves and the initial raiser calls simply because TMAY does this with too wide a range to make it so unprofitable for you to call.

You'd be putting in another 3200 for a shot at two pots, one for 3000 and one for I think 11,400. I'd put TMAY as wide as 55+,A7s+,K7s+,Q8s+,J8s+,T9s,ATo+,KTo+,QTo+,JTo so any hand that is 50% against this heads up for the 3000 pot needs also be slighlty less than 10% in the larger pot to be positive equity now for you to call. And just about anything you reraised with likely would qualify now.

This is one of the rare spots where if you don't want to risk 5300 chips but would like to play the hand out heads up with the OR, you need to min-reraise so you can get off the hand when the initial raiser calls a shove by TMAY.

[Sherman]

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way too tight, don't know the right range yet.

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Oh yeah...I wasn't paying much attention to pot odds. That range is way too tight.

[nath]

AQ+ TT+ at first glance are the hands that figure to be in generally good shape against their combined ranges

but the pot odds mean your range should be wider, so probably anything reasonable, since even mid suited connector stuff is often > 25% to win 3 ways

[Bond18]

So did anybody actually come up with a range they believe to be accurate here? I'm really not sure how loose i should be needing about 22% equity. I might be able to run a bunch of numbers later, going out now.