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Old 11-21-2007, 01:25 PM
tmcdmck tmcdmck is offline
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Default nl50 5cd

no hand history sorry. villain is pretty new at the table, but has been splashing about quite a bit. i have been splashing about alot and have been doing pretty well. effective stacks of $30. i am UTG

hero has QQQ rag rag
hero raises to $1.50
folded to villain on the button, who raises to $4
hero calls
hero draws 2
villain draws 2
my hand fails to improve and is now QQQT3
hero checks
villain shoves


is this always a full house? is this always a bluff? any guesses as to what villain has?
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Old 11-21-2007, 06:32 PM
bigpooch bigpooch is offline
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Default Re: nl50 5cd

Guesses: boat, quads or a bluff. The pot only has $8.35 and
you have to call off about $26 so your theoretical calling
frequency is only about 24%, so even if you checked all your
hands that weren't boats and AAA, this is in that range. If
you checked EVERY HAND, including any boat or quads, you
can check and fold, but in practice, it's likely you would
bet most of your improved hands. Also, if you are using
judgment, do you think you have more than about a 43%
chance of having the best hand? If so, calling is in order.

One factor is that you don't have a king or an ace, so that
it is possible that your opponent could just have AAA. The
psychological factor is that this "looks like a big bluff";
unfortunately, the biggest size bet is sometimes the best
bet to make if an opponent is willing to pay off.

Making a stand by calling isn't a mistake, as it looks like
you're a calling station and other opponents, if they are
observant, will think that you'll be willing to pay off big
bets in the future. If you had KKK instead, laying down
could be a mistake, and it's clearly within the range of
hands you need to strongly consider calling with, especially
against an opponent that is capable of bluffing.
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Old 11-22-2007, 01:40 PM
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Default Re: nl50 5cd

Reraise before the draw.
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Old 11-22-2007, 05:43 PM
Al Mirpuri Al Mirpuri is offline
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Default Re: nl50 5cd

Reraise before the draw.

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Old 11-23-2007, 01:12 AM
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Default Re: nl50 5cd

Lead into him post draw.
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Old 11-23-2007, 04:57 AM
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Default Re: nl50 5cd

I used to play this game a lot like 20 years ago, but it's been a while, so if things are different now, ignore me.

I re-raise a button raise pre-draw with any big trips, and with only $30 behind, you're going to build a pot you won't want to fold post-draw.

Sklansky mentions a 5CD play where he makes the last raise and then stands pat with big trips. This stops bluffs effectively enough that he can check/fold the river, having gotten more value pre-draw if his hand is good.

I would expect to almost never get raised after a lead post-draw unless we are beat, so for that reason, as played half-pot it post-draw.
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