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Old 11-16-2007, 12:05 PM
cjk73 cjk73 is offline
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Default Re: Poker Pro: Almost always slow play top pair????

Check raise is the correct play in LIMIT holdem, no? Forces the field of drawing hands to call 2 cold.

In any event, this is a great topic, a follow on question I have for NO LIMIT is in those instances where you have position, the advice is to bet but what if there is a bet to you? Are we raising, calling, folding? Calling can't be right because now the chasers may be getting the right price. Are we back to folding as we would do out of position? And just to be clear, I am asking in the context of the original post (weak top pair, drawy board, NL, and multiple villains).
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Old 11-16-2007, 12:56 PM
Joey2Cards Joey2Cards is offline
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Default Re: Poker Pro: Almost always slow play top pair????

I think the main thing you have to realise here is that the players are calling stations!!!! Remember? Means you can happily check-fold this one and bet when you have a more secure hand.

As for your question, cjk73, its important to realise that when someone bets to you, you no longer have effective position. The guy to the right of the better has position. It depends on how many players are on your left between you and the better, how much the player bet, how often you've seen them bet into a multiway pot when there are draws on etc etc. The more players left to act the more you're gonna want to get outta there.

I think you're going to have to be more specific.
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Old 11-16-2007, 01:03 PM
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Default Re: Poker Pro: Almost always slow play top pair????

Fair enough, and I think your point about relative (vs absolute) position answers it. But for sake of clarity, if you are 5th to act of five players and player 2 bets, and 3 and 4 call, you still have absolute position and "pretty good" relative position. Are we raising? Calling still seems weakish but raising has less fold equity then when we have no callers yet. Finally folding can't be right given the pot size.
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