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Old 10-02-2007, 06:08 AM
Woolygimp Woolygimp is offline
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Default Theory: Building a pot with overcalls instead of raises.

This only applies to multi-way pots.

Not going to make a real fletched out theory post, but just bringing up a concept. Full-ring plays entirely different from shorthanded play, and this is due to the fact that there are far more multi-way pots and also many more sets.

Most decent players can find a fold with TPTK/overpair hands such as AA/AK on a Kxx board in a multiway pot when facing a raise, and although game theory would imply that you should bluff (and semi-bluff) more when given this much respect the fact that full-ring is a bunch of set-mining koala bears, it makes it difficult to make a move when the person behind you can easily have bottom set.

Here's a hand that was played tonight:
A fairly deep 5/5 NL game.

Several limpers to the CO who makes it $45.

5 people to the flop.
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The BB leads for $200. UTG flat calls with bottom set on the dangerous board, in part to get overcalls behind him to build the pot without setting off alarm bells to the BB. The PFR ended up overcalling, setting UTG up for a turn push with a bloated pot.

MSNL sentiment would show the opinion that UTG misplayed his hand, and should definitely raise on such a dangerous board, but the more hands I get in at FR the more I'm starting to disagree. It's an entirely different beast, it's a bunch of nut-peddlers and dumbasses who pay off the nut-peddlers.

Both BB and the PFR were good players, and both would've laid down their hands (they both had AK) had there been a raise. UTG definitely maximized his value in this instance.

To fastplay a set and get action, you also have to fastplay your draws. However, I almost never raise the NFD in UTG's position because you want the overcalls, or smaller flush draws in the pot.
A combo draw would be the only draw that I raise from UTG's position.

So assuming a good player raises from UTG's position with people behind him to act, he basically turns his hand face up and that's the problem.
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