TPTK in position vs flush board

[HermannTL]

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finally i should add that there is a big difference between a monotone ATx flop and a monotone A8x flop. make sure you see why. in the latter you can probably wait until the turn.

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OK, I'll take a stab at it: the ATx flop easily create a gutshot (i.e. KQ) and it's more likely that someone is playing a Ten than an Eight ("playing zone" and all that).

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Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls, BB calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, MP2 folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB calls, BB folds, MP1 calls.

Turn: (8 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB calls, MP1 folds.

River: (10 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises</font>,Hero...

I thought my river bet was for value, but this is a disgusting development. This seems like an odd line for villain but not a bluffing line. Call and hope it's only two pair? The pot is too big to even consider a fold, and a raise would be spew. Should I have checked behind in the 10 BB pot? My set of aces may be more than he bargained for.

[knockonwood]

This is a bit off the topic, but LOL at 'this is a disgusting development'. I love poker situations described well.

[tyler_cracker]

your river bet *was* for value. crying call is fine. you have trips, not a set.

[kav]

Yeah, I call the river as well.

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BTW, this hand isn't about "driving out" flush draws, although frequently you will in fact be able to fold out small clubs. The point of this hand is that people with big-ish clubs will pay off all flop and turn raises, so you want to get value for your hand. This is really a value-betting exercise, not a hand-protection exercise.

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100% [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]!

[LukeSLTS]

It really looks like villain just hit his AQ hard. He may have had the Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], but there is no other good option except to call the river raise.

[HermannTL]

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you have trips, not a set.

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Wups. Slip of the keyboard.

Thanks to all for the advice.

[arborman]

Call, cry probably 70% of the time when he shows you a boat, be glad you didn't fold 25% of the time when he mucks two pair and a missed flush draw. Be really glad you didn't fold 5% of the time when he mucks 73o.

[HermannTL]

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Be really glad you didn't fold 5% of the time when he mucks 73o.

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[Xylocain]

I call the river and expect to win most of the time, I mean wtf @ AQ, QQ or AT???

call&gt;&gt;raise&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;& gt;&gt;fold.