AK 3-way in a tough spot

[RobTheCrook]

$4/180, MP1 = Super Donk, other player I have no reads on. Small raise preflop is new pot control strategy I've been working on which has come with amazing results. How do you play this?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG+1 (t1350)
MP1 (t3940)
MP2 (t3285)
CO (t1280)
Button (t1995)
SB (t2690)
BB (t4660)
Hero (t3350)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t125</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to t200</font>, MP2 calls t200, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, Hero calls t75.

Flop: (t675) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t350</font>, MP1 calls t350, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to t800</font>, Hero calls t450, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to t3740</font>, MP2 calls t2285 (All-In), Hero folds.

Turn: (t8300) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: (t8300) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t7645
Final Pot: t7645

[DeuceSeven]

It's too early to raise to 2.5x bb for my liking. I like 3xbb. If mp1 will reraise with a wide range I shove this pf. This accomplishes a few things:

1. There's tons of dead money in the pot.
2. Any sizable reraise that gets called will build a big pot that will be a little less then your stack.
3. A shove negates your positional disadvantage.
4. Worse hands from mp1 like AJ, KQ will probably call.

A call of the reraise isn't horrible given stack sizes.

On the flop in a 4.40 tptk is the nuts. I lead out for 500 for value and shove over the the reraise. 4.40 players absolutely suck, I'd need a read to not shove over the 2 bet.

[D. Bosola]

4-bet PF and end this pot before it gets ugly.

[RobTheCrook]

MP1's range is loose, and by loose I mean the top 80% loose. I'm afraid that if I shove over the top he might fold, if I 4-bet a decent amount he might flat call, putting me in a tough spot when I miss as his range is extremely wide.

I liked the flat call here, and was planning to get all my money in on this flop against MP1, problem came when MP2 came along for the ride and really played the flop hard after flat calling the reraise PF. I figured the only hands he could possibly have that he plays that hard on the flop are top two or bottom set. Can you put him on a weaker ace or something of that range to make a call enough here. Ignore that MP1 is in the pot because he's a super donk/probably drunk and has no problem getting it in here with middle pair no kicker to try to suck out.

I think a fold here against MP2 is the right fold most of the time. The problem comes when MP2 is playing his hand against a donkey like MP1 and a hand that I have crushed is good and he's disregarding that I'm in the pot (especially with my line so far).

Given that new light, what do you guys think?

[BrandiFan]

yes, mp2 can have a weaker ace, hasn't he seen mp1 raising like a maniac too? I have seen donks at these limits and higher make that (800) raise on the flop with A4. If mp1 is crazy like you say his raise could be KQ or another weak ace. Stick it in on the flop.