Overpair, is this a WA/WB situation?

Goodnews · #1 10-24-2006, 01:52 AM

Not enough hands on villain to make any significant reads. No notes in the hands hes involved in, meaning he hasnt done anything to catch my attention.

PokerRoom 0.15/0.30 Hold'em (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises, 5 folds, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero raises, SB folds, BB folds, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (7 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+1 bets, Hero calls.

River: (9 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 9 BB

Opinions on all streets?
Can I find value on this river?

OziBattler · #2 10-24-2006, 01:59 AM

since he didnt 3 bet the flop, I would raise the turn.

as played bet the river.

edit: maybe my judgement is clouded by the fact that last time I played pokeroom I saw so many bad players that I refuse to put them on the specific hand or two that beats me in this spot [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

also I thought the lowest limit at pokerroom was 0.25/0.5? did the converter mess up or have they added 0.15/0.3 in the last few months?

drzen · #3 10-24-2006, 03:06 AM

It's not WA/WB. It's a donkbluff. Raise the turn. Bet the river.

BTW, Aussie, I play at PR a lot and there's no .15/.30.

deception5 · #4 10-24-2006, 01:24 PM

Generally speaking, you can expect that trips or a full house would not bet into you on the flop (especially at lower limits as they ALWAYS slowplay) and that his most likely holding here is a pocket pair looking for protection or something like 88 who wanted to see the flop before investing. His turn donkbet is usually a made hand trying to prevent you from taking a free card with something like A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Remember, from villian's perspective you have either a big unpaired ace or an overpair. Raise it up. Since you didn't raise the turn, you absolutely positively must bet the river. Most likely he is now afraid that you hit the flush and is hoping for a free showdown.

Also, be careful not to misuse WA/WB. For a hand to be WA/WB, there must be close to the same probability of each. In this case, you are almost always way ahead.

Absolution · #5 10-24-2006, 01:30 PM

At this level I'm raising the turn. Bet the river as played.

DrModern · #6 10-24-2006, 01:30 PM

Yeah, I repop the turn donk.

Riku · #7 10-24-2006, 01:53 PM

All i have to say, is that in pokerstars 0.05/.10 People usually donk bet with legitimate holdings. You might expect them to check raise with primo hands... but no.

But then again, this is pokerroom .15/.3

SL__72 · #8 10-24-2006, 02:58 PM

Does anyone call the flop and raise the turn?

YesMehFriend · #9 10-24-2006, 04:17 PM

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It's not WA/WB. It's a donkbluff. Raise the turn. Bet the river.

BTW, Aussie, I play at PR a lot and there's no .15/.30.

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Isn't Hollywood a PR skin? Just logged in and they have .15/.30.

JoseyWales · #10 10-24-2006, 04:36 PM

I think Eurobet is also PokerRoom skin and it has 0.15/0.30.

Anyway, the hand. I'm curious, hero raised the flop, but called turn. Did you think that 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] helped villain? If he made trips I would think he'd c-r turn. Looks very much like over pair to me. I would raise turn also. River is diffucult, doesn't look like he is on FD because he's trying to protect his hand so river could also be place for value bet. If I played this hand I would probably check river since there is less time to think all possibilities.

Also, if he is on FD, it would be better for him to c-c or even c-r the flop to get more customers. PF raiser is likely to raise here and it means that others would have to cold-call two bets.