AQ i mess it up pf

[freekie]

villain is 22 / 14... i decide to call pf instead of my usual repopping... then this happens

Party Poker, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

BTN: $144
SB: $144
Hero (BB): $676.40
UTG: $75
CO: $484

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
UTG folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $14</font>, 2 folds, Hero calls $10

Flop: ($30) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets $26</font>, Hero calls $26
Turn: ($82) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets $65</font>, Hero calls $65

River: ($212) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets $148</font>

hero folds?

[nutsflopper]

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hero folds?

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I hope not.

[staring_elf]

if you call turn you should be snap calling that river.

[oyvindgee]

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if you call turn you should be snap calling that river.

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Because villain's range is the same on both streets?

[staring_elf]

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if you call turn you should be snap calling that river.

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Because villain's range is the same on both streets?

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no, because that river changes nothing apart from the fact that draws have missed and hero should be deciding on the turn whether or not he is going to call a river bet. simply calling turn and hoping villain checks behind river is pretty weak.

[oyvindgee]

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if you call turn you should be snap calling that river.

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Because villain's range is the same on both streets?

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hero should be deciding on the turn whether or not he is going to call a river bet. simply calling turn and hoping villain checks behind river is pretty weak.

[/ QUOTE ] First part is somewhat true. That does not however mean that we can not decide to call turn and fold river.

I call river because our hand is somewhat underrepped and he can be bluffing or value betting worse. I do not call because folding turn is ridic weak and hence folding river must be equally weak. I also think it's somewhat close and that we are beat pretty often.

[staring_elf]

of course. the fact that villain bet the river makes it more likely that we are beat, that he has AK/AJ/set/whatever. i'm not saying that river is an auto call simply because we called turn - i just mean that in general if i choose to call turn i'm generally calling that river all day and expecting it to be +EV. i'm not calling for the sole reason that calling turn and folding river is weak. its just part of the reason.

EDIT: you said it well yourself - I call river because our hand is somewhat underrepped and he can be bluffing or value betting worse. thats why i snap call river

[wazz]

Why not b/f turn. As played snapcall

[LerkEr]

tuff spot i call it down.

[staring_elf]

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Why not b/f turn. As played snapcall

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he might crai with a flush draw or even as a bluff and we prob have to fold to it.

he doesn't get to bluff into us again

if he just calls it puts us in a kind of crappy spot OOP on the river

i think c/c is a better line all things considered