Expensive KJ

TheBad · #1 09-01-2007, 02:41 PM

Villain is unknown 35/4/2 after 25 hands.

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, CO calls, 1 fold, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 3-bets, Hero calls, CO calls, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (18 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero raises, CO folds, SB calls, BB calls, UTG folds, UTG+1 3-bets, Hero caps, SB calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (17 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero calls, SB calls, BB calls.

River: (21 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero calls, SB folds, BB folds.

Final Pot: 23 BB

PF: Maybe a little bit on the loose side, i thought people would respect my raise a little bit more [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] I make it 4 because of the overcalls.

Flop: I like it. When he makes it 3, i´m concerned to be against AK or AA, but with the overcalls i decide to make it one more.

Turn+River: He keeps betting, but i made the pot so big i have to call. (Maybe i have some outs)

Just a little bit too aggressive ?

kerowo · #2 09-01-2007, 02:42 PM

Wow.

Just wow.

What did you put him on when he kicked your ass on the flop?
And then on the turn?
And then on the river?

Xylocain · #3 09-01-2007, 02:45 PM

PF is good
flop, just call down from the 3-bet. With a read you can fold the turn. [edit] or river.[/Edit]

the LRR is anything from AA to zomfg-how-dare-u-go-agressive-on-ma-when I limp 37s.

TheBad · #4 09-01-2007, 02:48 PM

Yeah, i know things got out of control - but on the flop im still not convinced if he isn´t betting a flushdraw.

Fantam · #5 09-01-2007, 02:51 PM

I would not have raised preflop.

LRR may just be because that player wanted to build a big pot, but sometimes it is AA or KK, and I would just have called the flop 3-bet.

I would probably have called the turn bet, but check/folded the river unimproved.

NIX · #6 09-01-2007, 02:51 PM

Preflop, I just limp. If it were suited, I raise though

On the flop, there is no way I cap. You raised preflop and on the flop saying you have at least Kx. I would need a read to know that he 3-bets QQ or something here enough to cap, otherwise, this is looking a lot like AA/KK/AK with you being nice enough to help him collect money.

neurotiq · #7 09-01-2007, 05:15 PM

I'm not raising preflop with KJ. It's a pretty marginal hand.

I like the flop raise to try to protect your hand and get it heads up. I wouldn't be capping here, though. Villain's 3bet is showing a lot of strength, so I just call down.

I like your turn and river.

F. McSimmons · #8 09-01-2007, 06:11 PM

pf is meh... I prolly limp.

flop cap is nasty.. I actually think you can find a fold somewhere after the flop...

Fadook · #9 09-01-2007, 08:03 PM

GRUNCH:
Just call preflop. KJo is definitely not strong enough to raise with the limpers already in.
I think I just call down from first flop bet. If UTG+1 isn't totally crazy, you're behind his entire range. The thing about LRRs from someone whom you don't have a solid read on is that you don't know what it represents. You're basically hoping that he's doing something stupid. Can we find a fold on that lousy river card though considering we're not closing the action?

Bulletproof Monk · #10 09-02-2007, 08:36 AM

ridiculous