50nl: how do I get away from overpairs....

jiacstrap · #1 07-02-2007, 01:33 AM

99 1010 jj and QQ either losing to lower sets/two pair or AA or KK.... what can I fix in this line? I if he had two pair it would have been conterfeited when the board paired, but it boated him up...

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($41.80)
SB ($12.60)
BB ($48.65)
UTG ($50.70)
MP ($45.90)
CO ($95.85)

Preflop: Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.50, MP calls $0.50, 1 fold, Hero raises to $2.5, SB calls $2.25, 1 fold, UTG calls $2, MP calls $2.

Flop: ($10.50) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, UTG bets $7, MP folds, Hero calls $7, SB raises to $10.1, UTG calls $3.10, Hero calls $3.10.

Turn: ($40.80) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG bets $10, Hero calls $10.

River: ($60.80) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG bets $19, Hero calls $19.

Final Pot: $98.80

Results in white below: 
SB has 4d Ad (flush, ace high).
UTG has 4s 4c (full house, fours full of threes).
Hero has Th Tc (two pair, tens and threes).
Outcome: UTG wins $98.80.

wildzer0 · #2 07-02-2007, 01:36 AM

Edit. I need to learn to read hand histories.

Dogballs88 · #3 07-02-2007, 01:38 AM

Getting away from overpairs is one of the toughest things to learn how to do when you're developing your TAG game IMO.

In this hand, I actually advocate using your position and sticking in a raise on the flop - if I were OOP I agree with the flat call, but you're just not getting enough information here. The 44 would probably reraise or give you some other indication that you're in trouble here, especially if the other guys stick around.

nanamar05 · #4 07-02-2007, 01:38 AM

Shove the flop. You would have been called my the set, so you were going to get felted no matter what.

Dogballs88 · #5 07-02-2007, 01:40 AM

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Shove the flop. You would have been called my the set, so you were going to get felted no matter what.

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This is way too loose.

jiacstrap · #6 07-02-2007, 01:52 AM

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Shove the flop. You would have been called my the set, so you were going to get felted no matter what.

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This is way too loose.

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Agree I was more worried about a hand like JJ or QQ then a set....

jerryf1914 · #7 07-02-2007, 01:52 AM

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Shove the flop. You would have been called my the set, so you were going to get felted no matter what.

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shoving a pair in a 4 way pot is not good...

michaelantoi · #8 07-02-2007, 01:53 AM

Call me a nit but I would fold the turn here.

We're beaten by a set or a flush draw and both are very likely. I just hate going any further on the turn in a 3 way pot.

This was before seeing any results.