General question for new to Short Handed (No hand)

[jbeckern6]

I just tried short handed tonight for the first time. I have been playing 5/10 and 10/20 full ring, with about 200K hands. My stats are about 18/11/2.5 How should this change for short handed. I know enough about the game to know that I will be playing more hands and open raising most times, but just curious if someone can give me some
benchline stats for someone who plays with stats like mine for full ring. Thanks
One other thing. In full ring, I almost never cold call a raise pf (either 3 bet or fold). But given the much lower raising standards in short handed, I assume that I also should cold call more often. Is this correct?

[kapw7]

General comments:
Start at lower limits like 3/6 6max.
Train yourself to call more and value bet more post flop.
Preflop there is no need to loosen up significantly until you get a better feel for the games. Cold-calling is generally not a good idea.

[jbeckern6]

I understand needing to value bet more, as the quality of hand that wins will be lower in short handed, but why would I want to call more as opposed to raising post flop. If hand values are lower, don't I want to try and push draws more aggressively (OESD, FD) and I will also be HU more often, and want to push middle pair more. Maybe I'm wrong about this, but this is my first inclination on how to play

[Dendrite]

no, 3bet more often. aq is auto-3bet and aj is often an auto 3bet.

[jbeckern6]

that certainly makes sense. i guess i was at a pretty loose aggressive preflop table tonight. there were 2 guys who were 40/25 type players and another 30/20 type, so there were a lot of open raises from ep with QT, KT, low pair hands and I was thinking if this were fairly common, I would get raised out of a lot of pots pf. Maybe that's fine, and I still wait for better hands, but it seemed like the threat of domination was pretty low even if the raiser was from ep.

[kapw7]

Raising is essential as well. My main point was to fold less.
A lot of times you will have a weak hand like mid-pair or even A-high and the LAGs will bet you with nothing. If you just call you encourage them to bluff on following streets and you don't run the risk of getting 3-bet (if you raise).
Also a lot of times especially on the flop, you will have better odds than you think to call. For example J9 on a KT8r flop can have from 4 to usually 7 and sometimes 10 outs.

[Guruman]

also don't ignore the gold stickied at the top of this forum.

[Sandberg]

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that certainly makes sense. i guess i was at a pretty loose aggressive preflop table tonight. there were 2 guys who were 40/25 type players and another 30/20 type, so there were a lot of open raises from ep with QT, KT, low pair hands and I was thinking if this were fairly common, I would get raised out of a lot of pots pf. Maybe that's fine, and I still wait for better hands, but it seemed like the threat of domination was pretty low even if the raiser was from ep.

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A) Take note of what people were raising with in early positon and adjust your raising and three bet standards to allow for it. YOu should be three balling any hand you would normally just raise at a full table based on your read of the original raiser.

B) A 30 or 40 VPIP is actually somewhat low for these donkeys. You'll find youself at tables with two players with 40 VPIP and two others with 60+ VPIP. This will happen all the time

The key to SH is being looser. It is an action game. If you don't like action, perhaps this isn't for you.

[HajiShirazu]

If you play full ring and are just switching to sh the key is to get really drunk whenever you play becaus then you will be looser and value bet more and play right, hahahaha ez $$ lol 100bb.
Also AQ and evne AJ are like, huge monsters against what most people raise with and are auto 3 bets every time unless they play tight fullring like, and against co steal at and even a9 are huge hands, so pimp it up and 3 bet that shiznit. Also 77 and 88 and 99, wow, gg to them, ez money position plus showdown value three bet, laugh as they call down with ace 5 high every time and rake in the $$ for the car and the house money gg idiots.
Also never give these 40/25's any respect postflop so basically call down with ace high if the board isn't that bad and then if you get a good pair and they make their [censored] donkey semi bluff take your valuetown dildo and lube it up with top pair jelly and then give htem a thorough anal raping.

[JerseyTom]

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If you play full ring and are just switching to sh the key is to get really drunk whenever you play becaus then you will be looser and value bet more and play right, hahahaha ez $$ lol 100bb.
Also AQ and evne AJ are like, huge monsters against what most people raise with and are auto 3 bets every time unless they play tight fullring like, and against co steal at and even a9 are huge hands, so pimp it up and 3 bet that shiznit. Also 77 and 88 and 99, wow, gg to them, ez money position plus showdown value three bet, laugh as they call down with ace 5 high every time and rake in the $$ for the car and the house money gg idiots.
Also never give these 40/25's any respect postflop so basically call down with ace high if the board isn't that bad and then if you get a good pair and they make their [censored] donkey semi bluff take your valuetown dildo and lube it up with top pair jelly and then give htem a thorough anal raping.

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This made me dizzy and nauseous... I have to go to bed now.


Tom