Caesar's Palace- Player went all in and ran away with $ after I called

[jjshabado]

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I don't want casinos to have the right to take money from me just because a dealer or floor makes a ruling. Can you imagine the possibilities for underhanded dealings? I want the right to go to court and face an unbiased trial before having to turn over my money.

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This is one of the reasons this story doesn't ring true. Failing to pay a bet is not a criminal act. If he had put money forward and then taken it back that would be a criminal act. The story has told by the OP just does not seem like it is likely to have occurred that way. Somethign like this seems liek it would find its way into a civil court, not a criminal court.

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I think it compares to robbery pretty closely. When the dealer/floor makes a ruling you have to abide by it (or you have appeal options through the gaming comission, I believe). You make that agreement when you sit down and play. The casino ruled that the player had gone all in. At this point that money isn't his. When he left with the money he was committing robbery, therefore its a criminal act. In Nevada I'm assuming they've got lots of laws to cover situations like this.

And before somebody jumps on me about my abiding by floor/dealer rulings contradicting my previous post... if I disagree extremely strongly with a ruling (perhaps because I have a strong belief the ruling is being made to personally benefit the floor/dealer) I want the abilty to keep my money, and face the consequences in court where I can make an argument that the ruling was not made in accordance with house rules or state laws.

[NickMPK]

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I don't want casinos to have the right to take money from me just because a dealer or floor makes a ruling. Can you imagine the possibilities for underhanded dealings? I want the right to go to court and face an unbiased trial before having to turn over my money.

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This is one of the reasons this story doesn't ring true. Failing to pay a bet is not a criminal act. If he had put money forward and then taken it back that would be a criminal act. The story has told by the OP just does not seem like it is likely to have occurred that way. Somethign like this seems liek it would find its way into a civil court, not a criminal court.

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Cheating in a casino is a criminal act in Nevada; it seem like he would be prosecuted for this rather than robbery, which as I always understood, was the taking of property through force or the threat of force. Perhaps it would be larceny, but not robbery. Maybe Nevada uses different terminology than I learned.

I think the casino did basically the right thing here. They cannot physically force the guy to give the money back. Once he takes his money off the table, this becomes a problem for the courts. Even if the guy took back a bet in blackjack, the casino would have him arrested rather than physically emptying his pockets. If the guy is not convicted criminally, you can always sue him in small claims court.

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Read the thread again where numerous people said they heard him go all-in. Same as pushing physically. The money is no longer his to take just because it happens to be right in front of him.

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I don't know that a rule of poker holds up in a court of law. There are lot's of times that someone is clearly owed money by another party. When they don't pay they can get sued; they aren't subject to having thier creditor tackle them and take their wallet (as many in these threads want security to do).

People have tried to compare this to blackjack, I would say it is similar to putting out a big pile of chips and then taking them back before the dealer deals out the cards. The casino might tell them not to do that again, but they certainly aren't going to tackle him and tell him he has to make that bet.

[Jimbo]

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Cheating in a casino is a criminal act in Nevada; it seem like he would be prosecuted for this rather than robbery, which as I always understood, was the taking of property through force or the threat of force.

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(Nev. Rev. Stat. § 200.380) “Robbery is the unlawful taking of personal property . . . by means of force or violence or fear of injury, immediate or future . . .”


This is one reason why I don't believe the OP.

Jimbo

[DrNo888]

Was his last name Bellande?

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Cheating in a casino is a criminal act in Nevada; it seem like he would be prosecuted for this rather than robbery, which as I always understood, was the taking of property through force or the threat of force.

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(Nev. Rev. Stat. § 200.380) “Robbery is the unlawful taking of personal property . . . by means of force or violence or fear of injury, immediate or future . . .”


This is one reason why I don't believe the OP.

Jimbo

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Yea, I didn't look up the defintion, but I knew it sure wasn't robbery. There are gaming laws that maybe they could have found something to charge him with, but I don't really see a criminal act here.

[pokerfloor]

Did you know that the guy tried to run away from the floor man out in the casino and he chased him and had to drag him back to the room with the guy dragging his feet like a 2year old not wanting to go to his room
and I believe he is charged with grand larcney

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Did you know that the guy tried to run away from the floor man out in the casino and he chased him and had to drag him back to the room with the guy dragging his feet like a 2year old not wanting to go to his room
and I believe he is charged with grand larcney

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If this is confirmation that this occurred I will stand corrected.

[StellarWind]

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Read the thread again where numerous people said they heard him go all-in. Same as pushing physically. The money is no longer his to take just because it happens to be right in front of him.

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If saying the words "all-in" is an element of the crime the prosecutor probably shouldn't touch it. People and even whole groups of people misunderstand spoken utterances all the time. Just read this forum if you don't believe me. There will be reasonable doubt as to what he said or meant and the jury won't convict.

[pokerfloor]

I wasn't there but this is what I was told by the Shift Manager I relieved