AK PF kinda sticky situation, Stars 25 buy in

[Dave D]

About 185 left, 180 pay.


I've only been at the table about 20 hands, so no huge reads, but the table has seen me open a lot, especially in position. I've showed down one river bluff when like 15 outs didnt hit on the river and villian checked to me.

The caller is clearly a donk, calling off that much of his stack, probably a tourney lifer trying to stall into the money or something. The RR I think is probably a decent player. I think his range here is TT+, but I dunno. Seems like AK would push.

What's my action here? I think calling is slightly better because I think a push is always getting called by the RR. At least I can see the flop, and get away if it sucks. What's my line? Push or call (no way I'm folding, I think).

I also don't think the RR put enough in to push out the original caller, so I can get an idea of what my implied/express odds will probably be.


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t1000 (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

CO (t8373)
Button (t6887)
SB (t109062)
BB (t49839)
Hero (t49714)
UTG+1 (t22410)
MP1 (t11035)
MP2 (t23699)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t3000</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP2 calls t3000, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to t10000</font>,

[Coz]

Yeah I think calling is a good play too because you are pretty deep. If you think opponents range is only TT+ then calling and evaluating the flop would probably be the best move. Against an avg opponent, however, I would probably shove.

[hamnegger]

i flat call the bb has a big hand here most often. if i hit the flop id have to go with it.

[SuperUberBob]

This is a pretty tough spot. Folding is obviously out of the question. But neither option (shoving or calling) is too comfortable either.

I don't like calling because if UTG calls, then MP2 has proper odds to call. Then, UTG will be sandwiched between a preflop re-raiser and a limp/caller. I think calling off 1/4 of your stack and folding a flop with all undercards is spew. You could call and hope to hit an ace or king, then jam the flop.

On the other hand, I don't like shoving because you're in at best a race situation and possibly dominated. Against a donkish player, I'd jam. But in this situation, I don't feel comfortable shoving when we are underdogs against nearly every hand villain could have here. And we are getting called here. No way villain folds to a 4-bet all-in after re-raising an UTG raiser and an overcall.

In the end, I probably take the safer route and call. If you miss and fold, you still have 30 BB left and more than enough play to work with for a while. It's the best of two pretty bad options.

[Dave D]

no limp caller, I raised UTG and just a caller.

I think you got a lot of the problem with this hand down Bob, but I think at this point I don't care about MP2. He's probably calling a lot of hands, I wouldn't be surprised if a pair that he's ready to fold on the flop.

I think I want his money in there. Unless he's being super crafty with AA/KK, I think its pretty much dead money. I really only care about the RR, both b/c I think he's a decent player, but also his range is tighter. If I flop something that needs better pot odds to continue with (like say a gutshot plus overcards) I'll be glad the donk was in there.

I like calling and re-evaluating flop and likely letting the two other players duke it out on most flops.

[EscapePlan9]

I fold to the 3-bet. This is a horrible situation to be in and the typical range for the 3-bet is QQ+ and maybe AK. A squeeze raise would have raised much bigger - instead he wants to price you in.

Lets say he is doing it with a monster like KK or AA (very likely). You hit your K on the flop and get all-in against KK/AA. GG

[Dave D]

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I fold to the 3-bet. This is a horrible situation to be in and the typical range for the 3-bet is QQ+ and maybe AK. A squeeze raise would have raised much bigger - instead he wants to price you in.

Lets say he is doing it with a monster like KK or AA (very likely). You hit your K on the flop and get all-in against KK/AA. GG

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Def never folding here.

He could be three betting AQ, JJ, TT, QQ. Even if he does have QQ, there's enough overlay in the pot to call. Also, implied odds

[registrar]

Calling would be bad because the only time BB checks is when he flops a set or the flop is ace/king high and he has JJ. I'd just shove but you can reraise intimidatingly less.

[Sherman]

It doesn't get any more +EV than shoving here. The only other option is...(ZOMG!)...folding.

Folding isn't bad if you can put him on KK/AA. But if QQ is in there you have way way too much overlay to fold.

So shove.

Edit: To not sound like a hilljack.

[Cornell Fiji]

Mingdu,

One of the few times I have laughed out loud at a post. You owned me with my own words. NH

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Black,
I just realized that you said that you would instafold QQ to a shove. Do you understand that that means that AK should shove against you 100% of the time?