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08-23-2006, 12:56 PM
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Raising then folding AJ pre-flop - pathetic or heroic?
I still haven't found a hand converter for Pacific but the situation is easy to explain:
5/10, ten-handed. Players of varying calibre round the table, but (although no useful stats as yet) MP+2 and CO seem to be solid, if conventional, players. All fold to me in MP+1. I raise with AJos (which I would occasionally call with, for variety). MP+2 re-raises, CO caps, everyone else folds and I, in terrible position with a very average hand, decide calling here is an -EV play and fold. Is that an absolutely ridiculous view to take?! 
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#2
08-23-2006, 01:01 PM
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Re: Raising then folding AJ pre-flop - pathetic or heroic?
Folding, out-of-position, against two seemingly solid players who've 3-bet and capped is fine.
Occassionally calling with AJ, in MP, "for variety" - sucks big time.
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#3
08-23-2006, 01:55 PM
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Re: Raising then folding AJ pre-flop - pathetic or heroic?
I would definitely fold. A,Jo in MP isn't a hand I would want to be calling 2 more bets with. I probably wouldn't raise with it to begin with, but I think I may play tighter than most.
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#6
08-23-2006, 03:55 PM
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Re: Raising then folding AJ pre-flop - pathetic or heroic?
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[ QUOTE ] I probably wouldn't raise with it to begin with [/ QUOTE ] What would you do with it? [/ QUOTE ] Well I realize I may be in the minority here but I would just call in that situation. I can understand wanting to raise to chase out others behind you, but in MP+1 I would still be worried about having numerous people behind me still yet to act. If I was in LP or on the button and it hadn't been raised I would definitely raise it up. Also, if it were suited I would probably raise in that spot. I just don't like the offsuitedness of the hand. In no way am I saying it's the "right" play, but that's typically how I play it. As I said though, I consider myself a very tight player.
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#7
08-23-2006, 04:15 PM
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Re: Raising then folding AJ pre-flop - pathetic or heroic?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I probably wouldn't raise with it to begin with [/ QUOTE ] What would you do with it? [/ QUOTE ] Well I realize I may be in the minority here but I would just call in that situation. I can understand wanting to raise to chase out others behind you, but in MP+1 I would still be worried about having numerous people behind me still yet to act. If I was in LP or on the button and it hadn't been raised I would definitely raise it up. Also, if it were suited I would probably raise in that spot. I just don't like the offsuitedness of the hand. In no way am I saying it's the "right" play, but that's typically how I play it. As I said though, I consider myself a very tight player. [/ QUOTE ] If you don't want to raise it, you are better off folding it. By open/limping you invite hands like 9T or Q9 or whatever rags they have in the blinds to suck up on you. AJo is not the hand you want to play with many players in the pot. About worrying the other players act after you - well, this is the part of the game, they WILL act after you most of the time.
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#8
08-23-2006, 04:43 PM
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Re: Raising then folding AJ pre-flop - pathetic or heroic?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I probably wouldn't raise with it to begin with [/ QUOTE ] What would you do with it? [/ QUOTE ] Well I realize I may be in the minority here but I would just call in that situation. I can understand wanting to raise to chase out others behind you, but in MP+1 I would still be worried about having numerous people behind me still yet to act. If I was in LP or on the button and it hadn't been raised I would definitely raise it up. Also, if it were suited I would probably raise in that spot. I just don't like the offsuitedness of the hand. In no way am I saying it's the "right" play, but that's typically how I play it. As I said though, I consider myself a very tight player. [/ QUOTE ] AJo is definitely a raise/fold sort of hand. You really don't want to play a multiways pot with it. Then again, I never open-limp. Ever.
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#9
08-23-2006, 04:56 PM
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Re: Raising then folding AJ pre-flop - pathetic or heroic?
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Well I realize I may be in the minority here but I would just call in that situation...I consider myself a very tight player. [/ QUOTE ] This isn't the definition of "tight" - it's the definition of "passive".
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#10
08-24-2006, 07:17 PM
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Re: Raising then folding AJ pre-flop - pathetic or heroic?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I probably wouldn't raise with it to begin with [/ QUOTE ] What would you do with it? [/ QUOTE ] Well I realize I may be in the minority here but I would just call in that situation. I can understand wanting to raise to chase out others behind you, but in MP+1 I would still be worried about having numerous people behind me still yet to act. If I was in LP or on the button and it hadn't been raised I would definitely raise it up. Also, if it were suited I would probably raise in that spot. I just don't like the offsuitedness of the hand. In no way am I saying it's the "right" play, but that's typically how I play it. As I said though, I consider myself a very tight player. [/ QUOTE ] Wouldn't this be more passive than tight?
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