Live 2/4

[bravos1]

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How about donking?

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That's something that didn't cross my mind. I don't think it's a bad play here.

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What is your play if he raises? Because if he raises, you are in serious trouble.

[Sushiglutton]

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BTW, I doubt he is checking river w/ a set of Kings if the river bricks.

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ooh [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img], hehe missed that.

[Aaron W.]

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How about donking?

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That's something that didn't cross my mind. I don't think it's a bad play here.

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What is your play if he raises? Because if he raises, you are in serious trouble.

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I'm okay with getting away from my hand if he raises. I can't fold immediately, but a turn fold (if I don't pick up the gutshot) is something I am comfortable doing, though there are some situations that I might not be able to get out. Trip aces and aces up are two hands that come to mind.

[Aaron W.]

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A friend came into town this last weekend, and so I played some 2/4 with him as he was clearing his poker discount at the Luxor.

It's a generally loose-passive game, with most flops going 5+ handed for one bet each. I limp ATo in MP after another limper, there's a caller behind me and a late position raise by an older man who is basically still unknown to me. I think it was 6 handed to the flop for two bets and I was in the middle of the pack.

The flop is AQx. Checked to the raiser who bets. I call and one other player calls. The turn is a K, and it's checked to the raiser who bets again. I call and the other player folds.

The river is a brick and I check-fold. I'm not sure how much I like it because I have no specific read on this player, but the general table loose-passiveness tipped me into folding. Basically, I didn't think he was 3-barreling with JJ or smaller pairs, and I didn't think he was raising A9s or worse preflop, so I felt I was pretty screwed and just gave it up.

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What I was really wondering is if anyone out there who plays a lot of these games makes this sort of fold. In my situation, I made my read and stuck with it. But I'm not sure how much my read counts in this game that I don't normally play and especially against a relatively unknown player at the table. Are there enough players who do random things in these games to make calling appropriate?

[Aaron W.]

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Like always your play and thought processes make sense. The problem is your opponents plays don't always. In the 3/6 live game I play in I would have had to call that river. Could be almost anything. Worse A, QT, pocket 7's whatever. Often enough anyway that pot size covers the spread.

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In the live 3/6 that you play, what hand range would you give an unknown raiser who raises 3 limpers?

[bravos1]

BTW, the turn K is somewhat of a bad card for us even though it gives us a gutshot. It doesn't really give us any additional outs vs his range, and also puts us behind the few holdings we were actually ahead of.

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We are now behind KQ and KK.
If he has AJ, our outs to the Ten are no longer any good and give us 3 outs to the straight, so no change in outs at all.
AK also removes our outs to the ten, but we actually gain one out (3 tens vs 4 outs to a Jack).

[bravos1]

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A friend came into town this last weekend, and so I played some 2/4 with him as he was clearing his poker discount at the Luxor.

It's a generally loose-passive game, with most flops going 5+ handed for one bet each. I limp ATo in MP after another limper, there's a caller behind me and a late position raise by an older man who is basically still unknown to me. I think it was 6 handed to the flop for two bets and I was in the middle of the pack.

The flop is AQx. Checked to the raiser who bets. I call and one other player calls. The turn is a K, and it's checked to the raiser who bets again. I call and the other player folds.

The river is a brick and I check-fold. I'm not sure how much I like it because I have no specific read on this player, but the general table loose-passiveness tipped me into folding. Basically, I didn't think he was 3-barreling with JJ or smaller pairs, and I didn't think he was raising A9s or worse preflop, so I felt I was pretty screwed and just gave it up.

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What I was really wondering is if anyone out there who plays a lot of these games makes this sort of fold. In my situation, I made my read and stuck with it. But I'm not sure how much my read counts in this game that I don't normally play and especially against a relatively unknown player at the table. Are there enough players who do random things in these games to make calling appropriate?

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I don't play any 3/6 live, but in the games I do Play (6/12-20/40), I fold this easily unless I do have a read on my opponent.

[Bona]

I would include every thing you probably did but also include pocket pairs and a lot of Ax's, maybe any 2 broadway cards. The 3/6 I play in is the lowest limit available probably like the 2/4 you were in. I still try to play pretty tight but if I am in on the river and can call for one with TPTK I think it is good often enough because of pot sizes.

[Aaron W.]

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I would include every thing you probably did but also include pocket pairs and a lot of Ax's, maybe any 2 broadway cards. The 3/6 I play in is the lowest limit available probably like the 2/4 you were in. I still try to play pretty tight but if I am in on the river and can call for one with TPTK I think it is good often enough because of pot sizes.

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So you're saying that if an unknown raises a bunch of limpers preflop, you would put him on all broadway combos, all pocket pairs, plus all aces?

The preflop raise makes a huge difference here.

[Bona]

This is true and preflop raises mean less live. COnsider the live straddle play when assessing the mindset. I agree you will lose more often than you win here but I don't think more than 7 times as often. Since I have seen so many screwy plays at low limit live I've just become very reluctant to fold for one on the river based on ascribing reasonable play to my opponent. The truth is this could be something that seems quite unlikely like K9 or J8. I'm not saying I think I can afford to play loosely throughout hands just that calling the river for one, when you are already there, should be considered with a decent hand and a large pot.