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#11
08-08-2007, 10:29 PM
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Re: party 10/20. Elindauer value/bluff river raise
Isn't the whole value-bluff thing require that he pay off occasionally with something you beat? Either way I don't think it applies here.
Can you produce a stove for me to believe that Q-hi is a profitable call here? This sounds like one of those spots where I know I'm good some portion of the time but not enough to call and I'm annoyed at the prospect of being bluffed even that 10% so I raise. Also, I don't really see how the first hand has anything to do with the second one, except that it shows that sb isn't overly tight and doesn't fold too much (both of which work against you here). 
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#12
08-09-2007, 03:08 AM
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Re: party 10/20. Elindauer value/bluff river raise
the whole condition of an elindauer value bluff raise thingy is that you are planning on calling the river anyway. I think you've totally misunderstood this or something, but these hands have nothing to do with that.
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#13
08-09-2007, 03:20 AM
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Re: party 10/20. Elindauer value/bluff river raise
The first hand was not an example. I just posted it to show that I had value raised his donk on a river a few moments ago.
I was planning on calling the river in hand 2. Sorry. But i think you misunderstood my post [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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#14
08-09-2007, 03:25 AM
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Re: party 10/20. Elindauer value/bluff river raise
I think raising that river is worth a try. I agree that you should call that riverdonk since it could be a bluff from a laggish player with a busted draw. And as said before if you're gonna call you might as well try a raise and maybe fold some A-K high and PP:s. I think it's quite a good spot to try it, given villain will have your previous valueraise in mind. NH
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#15
08-09-2007, 03:48 AM
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Re: party 10/20. Elindauer value/bluff river raise
[ QUOTE ]
The first hand was not an example. I just posted it to show that I had value raised his donk on a river a few moments ago. I was planning on calling the river in hand 2. Sorry. But i think you misunderstood my post [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] woops sorry oink, didn't mean to be an ass. Guess it goes without saying i think raising's a bit thin, better than calling though.
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#16
08-09-2007, 11:06 AM
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Re: party 10/20. Elindauer value/bluff river raise
if this guy is the "any pair see sd type player," which is how i see bad lags, by raising you just bloat the pot and give him even more of an incentive to sd here.
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#17
08-09-2007, 12:09 PM
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Re: party 10/20. Elindauer value/bluff river raise
[ QUOTE ]
The first hand was not an example. I just posted it to show that I had value raised his donk on a river a few moments ago. I was planning on calling the river in hand 2. Sorry. But i think you misunderstood my post [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] I dont care what you call this river raise. I think raising the river is the right play in this spot or at the very least, extremely defensible. VNH.
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