Stars 4/180 - KQs in SB, early limper

[Tackleberry]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (9 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP2 (t10525)
MP3 (t5610)
CO (t4030)
Button (t850)
Hero (t2143)
BB (t3060)
UTG (t1335)
UTG+1 (t4785)
MP1 (t2745)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls t150, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, Hero ???

[Dunkman]

Deep I'm just completing this here, in this spot I'm usually shoving, unless this guy is like 15/14 over 200 hands then all the sudden limps UTG. Then I'd probably get worried for a second, talk myself out of it, and shove anyway.

[MJBuddy]

I don't think we're short enough to jam.

[Tackleberry]

OK, I completed. Here´s what happened:

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls t150, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, Hero completes, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to t450</font>, UTG+1 calls t300, <font color="#CC3333">Hero ???</font>

[Dunkman]

I think we pretty much have to call getting 3.5:1.

also, we're short, which negates most of the positional disadvantage since the flop is gonna be one swift move from us.

[MJBuddy]

Call is fine. You have, imo, the best implied odds hand in the game.

[ssnyc]

calls initial raise...

ugly spot with no reads but I guess I fold to reraise...tough to bluff two people and hand is mediocre to play 3 way out of position...if you read them as probing around and feel like gambling you can push the second time around but you are no really repping a big hand...still people make bad folds

[TheBenfer]

My vote:

I like the call to start with, and I fold to the raise.

To me, you aren't short enough to be pushing with KQ, and if you call you are blowing off 25% of your stack while out of position and likely beat. If this is a new table, the BB doesn't have any reads on you, either, so I don't think it is likely that he raises with air.

Just my thoughts, please comment.

[jchauvin]

In a $4 im sorry im just not giving a limper any credit at all. a shove will almost certainly pick up 375 in the pot which is important. i don't think the limp in the first place is that bad, however the call of the raise seems pretty marginal. i'd imagine the plan is to c/r all-in any strong draw or top pair? seeing how often you'll miss + how often you're beat when you get it in i like a push better.

if bb is very loose i don't think a limp+reraise all-in is out of the question given the dead money in the pot.

[MJBuddy]

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In a $4 im sorry im just not giving a limper any credit at all. a shove will almost certainly pick up 375 in the pot which is important. i don't think the limp in the first place is that bad, however the call of the raise seems pretty marginal. i'd imagine the plan is to c/r all-in any strong draw or top pair? seeing how often you'll miss + how often you're beat when you get it in i like a push better.

if bb is very loose i don't think a limp+reraise all-in is out of the question given the dead money in the pot.

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I'm sorry, I'm creating the highest EV situation, not the easiest.

Do you want to win the hand or the tournament?


And yes a limp/reraise all-in is entirely out of the question.