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Old 11-20-2007, 10:14 PM
Seb85 Seb85 is offline
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Default 30/60 Limit Game in Toronto with experienced 50/100+ players 4handed

First post here, hopefully many more to come once I get to know you guys. The setting is a 4handed 30/60 Limit game, highest one can find in a Toronto casino excpt for 50/100 once a week. Most of us have played in higher limits when available, including one guy who makes his living off of 100/200 games in LA and was just back in town visiting.

So to set the scene, UTG is a strong online and live limit player probably better than me, at the very least break even, we can sense eachother when making moves but he has the best of me in this session. Button is probably the strongest player at the table, 30/60 is low stakes for him but he has been playing a strong game, not just messing around. I'm in SB and the BB is a solid ring game player but too passive for SH. I should also mention I am the only one down at the table rightnow, suffered a few beats so I could be seen as tilting.

UTG folds, Button raises, I 3bet from SB with A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], BB cold calls, button calls.

Flop is 7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. I check, BB checks Button bets, I raise, BB cold calls, Button calls.

I put the BB on a draw, he was passive but would have put in a bet or raise if he had a 7. The button I had no read on all night.

The turn is a blank deuce, i think the 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] -- What do I do here?

My friend who we always analyze hands together suggested that I check-call the turn, possbly throw in a check-raise on a brick river.


I bet the turn, BB calls, Button raises - I call, BB Calls. River is a 9 (dont remember suit but non-spade), I check BB checks, button bets, I call BB folds A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] -- Button shows Q7off


My question is, disregarding the result, is there anywhere I could have folded the hand, given that it is a 4handed game, or could I have saved any bets by checking the turn?



Thanks for any advice, and many more hand analyses to come in the future.
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Old 11-20-2007, 10:42 PM
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Default Re: 30/60 Limit Game in Toronto with experienced 50/100+ players 4hand

Welcome to the forums.

First off, what u and ur friend discussed is silly. CR a brick river!?? Why you trying to be so tricky? You played the hand fine, just got cold-decked. You're not folding that hand 4-handed on any street. I think you need to lead the flop, though. Don't altogether mind the CR, though, as long as you lead out on the turn, which you did.

Sounds like you need to practice some game selection too - from your descriptions, sounds like you were the "fish" at the table.
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Old 11-20-2007, 10:57 PM
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Given the way it was played is 3 betting the turn nuts?
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Old 11-21-2007, 12:10 AM
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Default Re: 30/60 Limit Game in Toronto with experienced 50/100+ players 4hand

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Given the way it was played is 3 betting the turn nuts?

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Hero is oop and handreading suggests he's probably behind villain's range. Seems like a straightforward calldown.

Flop c/r is bad cuz it polarizes your range too far towards {big pairs/monster draws} too fast imo. It should take them on average 2 BB to figure that out otherwise (bet all streets, 3b flop raise, 3b turn, etc.).
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Old 11-21-2007, 01:46 AM
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fold preflop. and by preflop i mean before you sit in this game.
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Old 11-21-2007, 02:08 AM
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i would lead the flop, hoping that bb raises his mid pair so i can 3bet.

i also wouldnt sit in this game.
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Old 11-21-2007, 07:25 AM
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Default Re: 30/60 Limit Game in Toronto with experienced 50/100+ players 4hand

game selection.
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Old 11-21-2007, 10:07 AM
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raising q7o in on the button in a raked game is a leak. exploit him...
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Old 11-21-2007, 11:39 AM
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Default Re: 30/60 Limit Game in Toronto with experienced 50/100+ players 4hand

By Toronto casino, do you mean Blue Heron?
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Old 11-21-2007, 11:54 AM
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raising q7o in on the button in a raked game is a leak. exploit him...

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so debatable and wrong IMO
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