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Old 05-03-2005, 11:25 PM
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I've noticed that playing opponents in this VPIP range is very difficult because, unlike your typical 2+2 TAG, I have trouble putting them on hands. I will have to check but I recall checking some 15/30 stats a while back and while most players with a >25 vpip are losers, some of the biggest winners were between 28 and 35. By contrast, supertights (<18) were sometime good winners and sometime slight losers (never big losers). I firmly believe that your avg player (like me) cannot win with such a high VPIP, but I also believe that it is more likely that the best player in the world has a much higher vpip than the typical 2+2er.

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That's because these people run very well over a short period of time. Show me 5 guys with this sort of luck over 100k period of hands and I'll be totally stunned. But, you won't be able to show me that.


PS: Update on our man - last 2,100 hands I've played with him he's on a 12k+ slide.
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Old 05-03-2005, 11:26 PM
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very good point.
also, two 2+2ers say that they have 75k + hands on him and these aren't likely ALL the exact sames hands in both databases. if the overlap is 75% then he is winning his "streak" is more like 100k + hands.

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I was thinking the same thing. Maybe even more hands

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This is incorrect. They are giving numbers from compounded databases from the same source.
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Old 05-03-2005, 11:33 PM
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-He has a very high W$WSF, esp for somebody with such a high VPIP.

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This is what really confuses me here. As Nate has shown in other posts, there should be something of an inverse correlation here. Taken alone, his W$WSF is good for the 30/60 game, but not better than other top players. The thing is, the other top players who have similar W$WSF numbers in that game have substantially lower VPIPs. And I am talking 10% or 12% lower, not 3% or 4%.
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Old 05-03-2005, 11:46 PM
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could easily be collusion.


if there were 2-3+ accounts playing together, it would be easiest to only cash out 1 account. Thus, the other accounts lose to this guy on purpose.
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Old 05-03-2005, 11:55 PM
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could easily be collusion.


if there were 2-3+ accounts playing together, it would be easiest to only cash out 1 account. Thus, the other accounts lose to this guy on purpose.

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or they could just give the money to their friend lol...

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Old 05-04-2005, 12:44 AM
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could easily be collusion.


if there were 2-3+ accounts playing together, it would be easiest to only cash out 1 account. Thus, the other accounts lose to this guy on purpose.


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or they could just give the money to their friend lol...

-Barron

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or they could just use one account. No reason it's more than one guy anyway.
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Old 05-04-2005, 01:03 AM
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Another player. Same city. Same awful player. Up through 30k hands. Don't have the exact stats in front of me for win rate but I know his VIP 30 18 2.1! He is also up way more than he should be, but plays worse than the other guy in question.

Familiar? They don't seem to be in the same game that often though.
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Old 05-04-2005, 05:36 AM
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He can't win and thats a guarantee.

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You're ignorance is brutal.
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Old 05-04-2005, 05:42 AM
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He can't win and thats a guarantee.

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You're ignorance is brutal.

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How many hands do you have in the Party 30?

How many have you played against the player in question?

I suspect you're the ignorant one.

And there is no way in hell this player can be beating that game. He's either running extremely well, or there is something else at play.

Nevermind the 30/17, he just plain plays bad.
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Old 05-04-2005, 09:34 AM
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He can't win and thats a guarantee.

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You're ignorance is brutal.

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How many hands do you have in the Party 30?

How many have you played against the player in question?

I suspect you're the ignorant one.

And there is no way in hell this player can be beating that game. He's either running extremely well, or there is something else at play.

Nevermind the 30/17, he just plain plays bad.

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I agree he plays bad, but it is possible his bad play works against bad players and just sucks against strong players?
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