10/20 Commerce - top pair

[creedofhubris]

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D, do you disagree with any of my 4 reasons for the flop checkraise?.....

PS - we should all just start including net worth into our hand histories....for example, "Villain calls and is playing $3200 behind, I call in the BB and am playing $4300 behind on the table plus $35,498 in my checking account, one rental property on the Jersey shore, and a 1956 Chevy Impalla with a rebuilt engine but ORIGINAL transmission".....

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I tried to see some guy's 1K bet and raise him an El Camino once, but the damn casino insisted on "table stakes".

[NLfool]

so what'd you do and what'd he have?

[Sunny Mehta]

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sounds like he doesn't particularly want to get called here.

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exactly - you hit the nail right on the "turnip" ( [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] rah rah rah)....

here's the thing.....I gave you guys the reasons for my checkraise and it felt right at the time and my reasoning still seems correct, BUT, then when he reraised it felt really odd to be faced with a bet and a decision that was basically like "okay, I'm guess I'm going to move all my chips in knowing that the way he played his hand it seems like all I can beat is a bluff and if I get called I'm probably in bad shape."......I don't know what to think about that, I don't like being in that spot.....

does that mean the checkraise was wrong?.....I still don't think so, because I think many MANY times he just calls my checkraise with a worse hand and then I value bet him on the turn/river and get his stack.....but so do I change my game plan once he reraises?....that doesn't seem right either because there is still the chance he is resteal-bluffing and plus it really seems like incorrect poker for me in this spot to raise just "to see where I'm at" particularly on the flop and out of positon and when the money's not all that deep and when I'm unsure of what a reraise by my opponent means.....

it's weird because it's such a simple hand, but it gave me a lot to think about in terms of the idea of making a commitment decision early on in a hand even when I'm not pot-committed and even when future action doesn't correspond with the information I made the commitment decision based on.....

it's like I'm deciding in advance upon a plan of action knowing that in the long run the overall plan is +EV, but the minority of times that it doesn't work out in my favor it seems like there's no real "abort" option and I am forced to make moves that are mistakes or at least moves that make it impossible for my opponent to make a mistake.....

does that make sense?......

[PGarlic]

Stop blue balling us and give us results please.

[Sunny Mehta]

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Stop blue balling us and give us results please.

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we got it in, he had AK....

[creedofhubris]

The check/raise is a move that really, really inflates a pot, and by check/raising you're basically committing yourself to a big pot. It's a dangerous move with one-obvious-pair, no-improvement-in-sight hands because it leads to exactly what you say, opponents playing perfectly against you.

[lapoker17]

it's too bad you lost the hand, but it is kind of a tribute to la's friendliest that not one, but two guys stacked off with one pair.

[NLfool]

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it's too bad you lost the hand, but it is kind of a tribute to la's friendliest that not one, but two guys stacked off with one pair.

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LOL your day job must be comedian. Just reminds me that I need to get out more often. la or coltrane what day/times do you play? Gonna try and down there sometime when it's not raining