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Old 11-28-2007, 01:47 PM
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Default Re: Poker is a necessary annoyance for casino executives.

They should market these tables solely for headsup and shorthanded play, which can't be done cost effectively with dealers. That's a hole in live casino play they could fill.
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Old 11-29-2007, 01:31 AM
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Default Re: Poker is a necessary annoyance for casino executives.

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I for one would never regularly play these electronic casino poker games unless they were the only game offered within a 50 mile radius of my house.
I like live poker with cards and chips and that is what I want when I play live poker.

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Me too. Not only that, casinos are regulated in NJ so that there is an increase in employment. My opinion is that state government of NJ will never allow the dealers to be replaced by machines.

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Pokertek machines were already approved by the NJCC.
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Old 11-29-2007, 12:01 PM
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Default Re: Poker is a necessary annoyance for casino executives.

But there will still be a place for dealers.

Halligan says casinos could charge a higher fee for the option of a live dealer similar to banks that have charged customers for using tellers instead of automated services such as ATMs


When you read the last line of the article it's pretty much in the hands of the casinos. When I first remember ATM's like 20 years ago,some people refused to deal with them and conitnued using the tellers. Since then the banks have slowly adjusted the mindest of the vast majority of the public. Now, pretty much all ATM's charge fees if your not a member of their bank, some banks even charge you if you withdrawal your money from another banks ATM, therefore getting double charged. (even at non fee ATM's my Bank Charges me).
Try having a paper check mailed to your home from your employer, instead of Direct Deposit, you run into roadblocks, such as banks charging you fees to have an account UNLESS you have direct deposit. With the younger workforce comfortable with ATMS and Direct Deposits and virtually no experience with bank tellers, it's completely in the Banks favor.
Now the casinos will do the same thing, those that really like the dealers and real chips will either have to adjust or be forced into to paying more for the dealer. Now, at first there will be alot of real dealer poker players, but slowly, they will decline until the vast majority of players will be playing these PokerTek like tables.
And the thing is, there isn't going to be any real reason for playing with a real dealer, players will soon realize that no tips and more hands per hour = more money. And to tell you the truth younger, more naive players may be quicker to try the electronic tables as they don;t have to 'interact' with a real person, since they are ATM and Direct Deposit comfortable.
This is just my opinion of how it may work out and for one enjoy real dealers and real chips.
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Old 11-28-2007, 02:56 PM
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I for one would never regularly play these electronic casino poker games unless they were the only game offered within a 50 mile radius of my house.
I like live poker with cards and chips and that is what I want when I play live poker.

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Can I play multiple machines in my underwear while watching pr0n on the extra screen? If not I fail to see any advantages over my current electronic poker setup.
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Old 11-28-2007, 01:55 PM
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Default Re: Poker is a necessary annoyance for casino executives.

All casino games aspire to the condition of slot machines.
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Old 11-28-2007, 02:01 PM
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Wow. That reporter certainly makes herself look stupid and/or like a shill for the electronic poker table manufacturer...
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Old 11-28-2007, 02:09 PM
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Default Re: Poker is a necessary annoyance for casino executives.

whats the deal with just posting news reports all the time pokerpaired? whats your point of view on all these news articles you post?
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Old 11-28-2007, 08:01 PM
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whats the deal with just posting news reports all the time pokerpaired? whats your point of view on all these news articles you post?

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he’s graduated from a sandwich board proclaiming world doom
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Old 11-28-2007, 08:24 PM
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That's the underlying problem with these disneyland corporations, they want ALL their customers money. They're not satisfied with a tidy profit, they want ridiculously enourmous profits.

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I suppose you prefer the days when Vegas was barely a rest stop on the way to LA? Do you think Steve Wynn & Co. invested $630 million in the Mirage so he could keep dropping $3/hand in rake? Personally, I prefer the grandeur that is today's Vegas, and so do (#_of_2007_Vegas_tourists - #_of_1988_Vegas_tourists) other people. What do you think built these ridiculously luxurious mega-resorts if not ridiculously enormous profits / the anticipation of ridiculously enormous profits?

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It's not enough they have always made a killing at blackjack. Now they only pay 6/5 on half the games in town. Dealers hit soft 17. Any and all minute edges towards what was still "advantage: house" are being taken away. Soon blackjack will just be a booth where you write a check to parball corporation, LLC. They probably won't even provide a dank alley for you to die in without charging you.

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Then don't play. Or go to dingy old downtown where they still spread a decent game. I stopped doing that myself when I started making some decent money and decided I'd rather treat myself to a good time when I went to Vegas, rather than couting cards at the Four Queens even though the odds are better there.
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Old 11-28-2007, 02:07 PM
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I just want to know how much pokerpro paid liz to place this advertisement in the sun. It's not even an article, it's just a bunch of selling points for pokerpro.

Way to push casinos to jack up the rake even more. Somebody knows that if the rake were high enough, say like 20% to $500, no one would ever be able to beat poker and the casino would get all the money. That's the underlying problem with these disneyland corporations, they want ALL their customers money. They're not satisfied with a tidy profit, they want ridiculously enourmous profits.

It's not enough they have always made a killing at blackjack. Now they only pay 6/5 on half the games in town. Dealers hit soft 17. Any and all minute edges towards what was still "advantage: house" are being taken away. Soon blackjack will just be a booth where you write a check to parball corporation, LLC. They probably won't even provide a dank alley for you to die in without charging you.


The highest people in these corporations, the ones making six, seven, or perhaps eight figures, will do absolutely anything to keep their jobs. Their only concern is profits and dividends, and of course themselves. The employees keep getting the shaft worse and worse all the time. Poker dealers make barely above minimum wage, yet the casino execs want to cut labor costs even more. When the workforce unionizes, these companies will get what they deserve. Unions don't form when everyone is getting a fair shake and being treated well. They form when everyone's being treated like **** and treated badly.

Casinos are no longer a place where customers can enjoy themselves for a fair price. Not a place where workers can hold a good, secure job. Not a place for anyone anymore except casino execs and stockholders. And they say vegas was run by crooks when the mob was in town.

I know a fair number of people want poker to go away. These people are experts at one thing: fooling themselves. It aint going away. Casinos will try to bring in electronic tables, but the day when all poker is ala internet are not close.

The choice will remain to accept and embrace poker, or to keep fooling yourselves. Choose to do it right, or keep on doing it the harrahs way. Either way, poker is here to stay.

Al
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