Teach me how to win with KK...

[JSmith2007]

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I usually just fold KK to a re-raise pre-flop, since it's a damn ace magnet. A lot of people will think that's really nitty but I can find better spots to get my money in.

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lol

[greggg230]

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I usually just fold KK to a re-raise pre-flop, since it's a damn ace magnet. A lot of people will think that's really nitty but I can find better spots to get my money in.

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I used to play like that as well, hesitant to commit preflop. Long story short I think that folding KK to a re-raise (just one) is kind of a silly idea

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If a the guy re-raising me is really loose, sometimes I'll call and see a flop. If the flop doesn't have an A (which it does 90% of the time), Q or J, I usually feel okay calling small bets and trying to get to a cheap showdown.

[JSmith2007]

DIAGF

[keikiwai]

let me look in my db for my last KK hand.........

ok here it is:

note how the river is not a 3, 4, or 8

Poker Stars, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

UTG: $551.05 (137.76 BB)
MP: $347 (86.75 BB)
CO: $528.60 (132.15 BB)
keikiwai (BTN): $451 (112.75 BB)
SB: $765 (191.25 BB)
BB: $420.60 (105.15 BB)

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to keikiwai (BTN)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $16</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">keikiwai raises to $54</font>, 2 folds, UTG calls $38

Flop: ($114) 7 Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6 (2 Players)
UTG checks, <font color="red">keikiwai bets $88</font>, UTG calls $88

Turn: ($290) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
UTG checks, <font color="red">keikiwai bets $248</font>, <font color="red">UTG raises to $409.05 and is All-In</font>, keikiwai calls $61 and is All-In

River: ($908) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: $908 Pot ($3 Rake)
UTG showed 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4 (a pair of Fours) and LOST (-$451 NET)
keikiwai showed K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (a pair of Kings) and WON $905 (+$454 NET)

[deadfromsuckouts]

flop has an ace 30% of the time

[JSmith2007]

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let me look in my db for my last KK hand.........

ok here it is:

note how the river is not a 3, 4, or 8

Poker Stars, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

UTG: $551.05 (137.76 BB)
MP: $347 (86.75 BB)
CO: $528.60 (132.15 BB)
keikiwai (BTN): $451 (112.75 BB)
SB: $765 (191.25 BB)
BB: $420.60 (105.15 BB)

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to keikiwai (BTN)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $16</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">keikiwai raises to $54</font>, 2 folds, UTG calls $38

Flop: ($114) 7 Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6 (2 Players)
UTG checks, <font color="red">keikiwai bets $88</font>, UTG calls $88

Turn: ($290) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
UTG checks, <font color="red">keikiwai bets $248</font>, <font color="red">UTG raises to $409.05 and is All-In</font>, keikiwai calls $61 and is All-In

River: ($908) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: $908 Pot ($3 Rake)
UTG showed 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4 (a pair of Fours) and LOST (-$451 NET)
keikiwai showed K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (a pair of Kings) and WON $905 (+$454 NET)

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Fold pf LDO

[greggg230]

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flop has an ace 30% of the time

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When you're holding KK, it's more likely there will be an ace on the flop, since there's not one in your hand and fewer kings in the deck to block the aces.

[deadfromsuckouts]

But, I've just been told that others fold. (One riddle, please.)

[nycplayer]

KK:
PFR: 92.31
Win%: 76.92
W$WSF: 66.67
W$SD: 25.00
BB/Hand -0.43

Fold 'em pre-flop.

[bsheck]

Play it only for set value.