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Old 11-07-2007, 04:52 AM
Vinetou Vinetou is offline
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Default 400NL middle pair facing c/c bet bet line

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (5 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB ($392)
BB ($399.60)
UTG ($415.90)
MP ($884.20)
Hero ($916.15)

Preflop: Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls $4, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $20</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP calls $16.

Flop: ($46) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $28</font>, MP calls $28.

Turn: ($102) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP bets $32</font>, Hero calls $32.

River: ($166) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP bets $68</font>, Hero calls $68.

Final Pot: $302

I didn't have stats on villain yet, but he seemed like a passive guy who won't put a lot of money in without a hand, but in that case, he didn't put a lot of money in, so I was thinking about raising his bet on the end, trying to push him off a weak ace, because his line looks like either that, a draw, 9 or a monster. So I just called. Would anyone fold this?

This line is so weird and I never know what it means.
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Old 11-07-2007, 05:19 AM
Yentz Yentz is offline
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Default Re: 400NL middle pair facing c/c bet bet line

Since there are no draws, I think it is most often either a weak made hand like some 9 or a weak A that wants to go to showdown. Sometimes, but much more raarely, it is a strong hand like two pair/set looking to bet-3bet.

You are behind both with 77, so I would not call down. First time around I probably just give up here, but if I play back I raise turn. I like a turn raise better than a river raise, since it is harder for him to call with a weak hand.
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Old 11-07-2007, 05:36 AM
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Default Re: 400NL middle pair facing c/c bet bet line

I would just fold river but it may be a leak
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Old 11-07-2007, 08:01 AM
Vinetou Vinetou is offline
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Default Re: 400NL middle pair facing c/c bet bet line

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I would just fold river but it may be a leak

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He bet so little on both streets that I just had to pay him off. If he made a bigger bet on the river, I would fold. He is laying 3.4 to 1.

But generally, what is your experience with that line? What does it mean usually?
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Old 11-07-2007, 08:11 AM
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Default Re: 400NL middle pair facing c/c bet bet line

this looks like a classic passive player who fears flushes betting the turn to protect his top pair. tbh, i rarely see passive loose players show up with worse than top pair here, so i would either raise the turn if you think you can push villain off a hand or be calling the turn to bluff raise the river, but i really dont like the idea of calling the turn with the intention of getting to showdown.
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