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#11
06-04-2006, 10:26 AM
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Re: KK: Am I good?
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ALternate play: raise the turn, and fold to a reraise, i think it's likely that you'll get a free showdown if you raised the turn, i don't know how much this would help in the short run, but it lets us get information, but it costs the same as calling, i relaly can't explain why i would, but i would raise the turn here, sorry, it's late [/ QUOTE ] he's not folding the turn.. and might just 3-bet you making you give up your OESD. 
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#12
06-04-2006, 01:30 PM
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Re: KK: Am I good?
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[ QUOTE ] ALternate play: raise the turn, and fold to a reraise, i think it's likely that you'll get a free showdown if you raised the turn, i don't know how much this would help in the short run, but it lets us get information, but it costs the same as calling, i relaly can't explain why i would, but i would raise the turn here, sorry, it's late [/ QUOTE ] he's not folding the turn.. and might just 3-bet you making you give up your OESD. [/ QUOTE ] Why should we be folding to a 3-bet? 14:1 when the action comes back to us is plenty to spike 8ish outs, no?
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#13
06-04-2006, 01:42 PM
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Re: KK: Am I good?
U are good. Can't see a better line.
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#14
06-04-2006, 01:58 PM
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Re: KK: Am I good?
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[ QUOTE ] or tears on AK? [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] Not likely. There is only one hand where villian has this holding given the action. A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] If we play this hand like villian has this hand everytime we lose a large amount of equity by folding. Villian could have AJ, AT, AK, AQ, KQ, KJs, JJ, TT, QQ, AA. I eliminate TT, JJ, QQ, KK, and AA given the preflop action. I would put villian on AT, AJ, A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and KQ given the flop action. Include K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] because we haven't seen his play before (I would three bet KJs if I was the villian) So AT(12) + AJ (12) + A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img](1) + A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img](1) + KQ(8) + KJs (1) = 35 combinations. On the turn there are 8.5 BB when you have the action. You are ahead of AT, AJ, A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], KQ, and KJs. So you are only behind to 1 combination. If he plays AK the same he plays A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] in this sitution, you are still ahead of all but 6. Clear call in my mind. Borderline raise with the intent of calling a 3 bet, call the river. Of course if he river brings an ace, or a club, then our play needs to be reevalutated.
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#15
06-04-2006, 02:08 PM
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Re: KK: Am I good?
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Of course if he river brings an ace, or a club, then our play needs to be reevalutated. [/ QUOTE ] An ace (except the ace of clubs) gives hero the nuts. AQ of clubs seems a likely hand, but getting three bet on the turn, even with the OESD, would be unpleasant. The hand looks perfect as played.
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#16
06-04-2006, 02:39 PM
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Re: KK: Am I good?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] ALternate play: raise the turn, and fold to a reraise, i think it's likely that you'll get a free showdown if you raised the turn, i don't know how much this would help in the short run, but it lets us get information, but it costs the same as calling, i relaly can't explain why i would, but i would raise the turn here, sorry, it's late [/ QUOTE ] he's not folding the turn.. and might just 3-bet you making you give up your OESD. [/ QUOTE ] Why should we be folding to a 3-bet? 14:1 when the action comes back to us is plenty to spike 8ish outs, no? [/ QUOTE ] bolded what i was responding to.
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#17
06-04-2006, 05:27 PM
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Re: KK: Am I good?
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[ QUOTE ] Of course if he river brings an ace, or a club, then our play needs to be reevaluated. [/ QUOTE ] An ace (except the ace of clubs) gives hero the nuts. AQ of clubs seems a likely hand, but getting three bet on the turn, even with the OESD, would be unpleasant. The hand looks perfect as played. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, wasn't even paying attention to the fact hero had OESD himself. Good call, my bad.
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