First time in 2007? 1/2NL

[duh]

Haven't folded KK preflop all year. How about this spot?

UTG is a 16/9 nit, and button is a 18/10 nit.
Both players are passive and nitty.

I've been speeding around.


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CO ($230.45)
Button ($36)
SB ($42)
BB ($132.75)
UTG ($209.05)
Hero ($445.35)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $8</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $27</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $58</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, UTG folds, Hero ??

[tubasteve]

if getting it in is -EV here its probably by like 2bbs or something insignificant.

[cs3]

18/10's are definitely not 3betting much, and 4 betting like never, so i guess if you have to fold KK pf at least once a year this is an ok time to do it

[jordiepop]

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if getting it in is -EV here its probably by like 2bbs or something insignificant.

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well put ... if utg came over the top i could find a fold

[dirtylobster]

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I've been speeding around.

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If both you and UTG are super nitty and CO is an observant player you might have a case here but ..... just stick it in.

[dirtylobster]

As tubasteve said, it doesn't matter much in the long run.

[jordiepop]

these hands are just not important in the long run ...

[effinA]

its only 100bbs, whatev, varaince

[tubasteve]

yeah. there was a good example of this in the newest sklansky i think. (NLHETP)

there were 2 scenarios assuming 100bb stacks (these arent the exact ones in the book but they serve the same purpose):


1) every time you get dealt AA and there is a person all-in before your action, you fold.

2) every time someone raises in EP, you call OTB with 27o



clearly hand 1 is a much worse play than hand 2 in isolation based on EV, but over the long run situation 2 is going to come up a ridiculous amount of times compared to situation 1, so 2 is really the bigger leak. its common sense when you think about it...you just have to think about it.

[duh]

What about against this villan who is 27/7/1.
If you know this type of villan, He is 4 betting AA/KK only, and KK only 1/2 the time

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UTG ($79.40)
MP ($136.20)
CO ($229.70)
Hero ($222.10)
SB ($210.55)
BB ($150)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $8</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $26</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $100</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero???