Turned a set on the turn, donked into on river. What's the play?

BrassMonkey · #1 06-21-2007, 03:14 AM

Don't know a damned thing about villians. How do you handle this donk on the river?

PokerStars 3/6 Hold'em (6 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Preflop: Hero is CO with 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG raises, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (12 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks.

Turn: (6 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets, BB calls, UTG folds, Hero raises, SB calls, BB calls.

River: (12 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, BB bets, Hero?

goofball · #2 06-21-2007, 03:16 AM

raise duh

Gib · #3 06-21-2007, 03:17 AM

There may be a chance SB will overcall so possibly just calling may be best.

Also I don't get ur PF iso/3bet or ur flop check if you got no reads?

Edit: Actually regardless of reads or not I don't understand ur flop check at all.

Oink · #4 06-21-2007, 04:01 AM

I dont do preflop against unknowns.

Raise river. If SB is a fish he cant let go of his A let alone AJ or KJ and I cant see BB having QT very often.

BrassMonkey · #5 06-21-2007, 06:47 AM

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There may be a chance SB will overcall so possibly just calling may be best.

Also I don't get ur PF iso/3bet or ur flop check if you got no reads?

Edit: Actually regardless of reads or not I don't understand ur flop check at all.

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I knew UTG, actually. He was a complete freaking maniac who would raise pre-flop with pure crap and go bonkers with nothing post-flop. In light of those things, pre-flop and flop made sense. I figured that the river was raise/call, and that's what I did - I just wanted you all to agree that that's the right play, since I get spewy on the river sometimes.

-Brass

yourface · #6 06-21-2007, 09:00 AM

bad players will notice that your line looks a lot like a set. they would expect it to be a flopped set though because this is how a lot of them would play one.

given how strong your line looks I think that BB has QT a large % of the time, though 2pair may be possible as well.

milesdyson · #7 06-21-2007, 06:21 PM

i'd call the river. SB has a lot of call-1-but-not-2 hands and you don't leave yourself open to calling a 3-bet w/ ~0% chance of scooping

jba · #8 06-21-2007, 07:29 PM

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There may be a chance SB will overcall so possibly just calling may be best.

Also I don't get ur PF iso/3bet or ur flop check if you got no reads?

Edit: Actually regardless of reads or not I don't understand ur flop check at all.

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I knew UTG, actually. He was a complete freaking maniac who would raise pre-flop with pure crap and go bonkers with nothing post-flop. In light of those things, pre-flop and flop made sense.

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you're not the only two players at the table and usually sb and bb will be aware of the maniac and their calling/capping ranges will be wide. preflop is bad. flop is good. turn is good. I call the river for the same reasons as miles.

TheHip41 · #9 06-21-2007, 07:34 PM

the J helped the fish on the river. This is going to be a straigth a lot more than it isn't a straight.

the last 10 times I raised in a spot like this, I always get three bet and shown the nuts.

Also, by calling, the sb will call 1 as well, so you make about the same anyway.

It's close, it just seems like this bet is always the nuts in the games I play in.

sethypooh21 · #10 06-21-2007, 08:16 PM

A) Glad to see you opening it up against aggros a little Brass, though I'm not convinced this is the best spot for it. Yeah he's raising with cheese. Cheese that you're flipping coins with.

B) That said, HU I bet this flop. 3-way with SB calling 3 cold, I like the check.

C) Turn is perfect.

D) River is close - I think garden variety maniacs go the C/R here with QT/JJ more than a donk. This is 2 pair lots. However, with SB still in the hand, I think just going for the overcall is the correct play, as it makes you the same as raising if YHIG and costs you less if not.