$30 i has a combo draw

[Check_The_Nuts]

yeah I don't like shoving at all.

Also anyone else not call here very often versus this guy preflop?

[corsakh]

I raise unknown MP with KQs always.

[Check_The_Nuts]

u don't make sense cor. He did give really good odds so yea I probably end up calling pre, but I just don't like KQ/KJ hands at all. Only real value in it is the suitedness IMO.

and he's not an unknown man.

[bozzer]

MP was unknown. (i had about 4 hands on him) - i agree that if UTG had raised with his low PFR% (true PFR could be anywhere between 5-15% but the chances are he's tight) KQo is definately a fold, and KQs is probably a fold with no callers.

Re 3betting. It's ok, but I've been trying to play a lower variance game against unknowns lately.

I'm annoyed I posted results now btw.

[XHitman014]

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u don't make sense cor. He did give really good odds so yea I probably end up calling pre, but I just don't like KQ/KJ hands at all. Only real value in it is the suitedness IMO.

and he's not an unknown man.

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So KQs=56s? Or is 56s actually better since you can make straights both ways?

KQs is definitely a trouble hand for a lot of people but not raising it in position seems like we're missing a lot of value PF.

[corsakh]

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u don't make sense cor. He did give really good odds so yea I probably end up calling pre, but I just don't like KQ/KJ hands at all. Only real value in it is the suitedness

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What do you mean? Its a pretty standard line.

I don't like KQ/KJ either thats why I almost never call with it.

If its an EP TAG opening, I may call for SC value if its suited. But against lags or unknowns in MP I just 3bet it - the hand is not strong enough to call neither we have implied odds against a loose player.

[corsakh]

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i agree that if UTG had raised with his low PFR% (true PFR could be anywhere between 5-15% but the chances are he's tight) KQo is definately a fold, and KQs is probably a fold with no callers.

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The tighter the raiser is, the better implied odds you get.

The better implied odds you get, the more hands you can profitably call with. As long as you don't go broke on TP. Its an easy call in position against a 7PFR.

[traz]

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i agree that if UTG had raised with his low PFR% (true PFR could be anywhere between 5-15% but the chances are he's tight) KQo is definately a fold, and KQs is probably a fold with no callers.

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The tighter the raiser is, the better implied odds you get.

The better implied odds you get, the more hands you can profitably call with. As long as you don't go broke on TP. Its an easy call in position against a 7PFR.

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This really makes no sense.

I fold pf (or 3bet for value against this guy) and raise flop

[corsakh]

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So KQs=56s? Or is 56s actually better since you can make straights both ways?

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You are right, 65s is better. Not only because it makes straights both ways, but also because:

1) You know you are not dominated, hence you dont have a kicker problem etc (in case you flop trips or something).

2) If you hit hard with 65s, its gonna be much harder for the villain to get away from TT or JJ than if you hit with KQ. Hence your implied odds go through the roof.

[WarhammerIIC]

MP bets the pot into two opponents = he's not going anywhere. Just call.