***Official 2007-2008 MLB Offseason Thread***

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You're looking at it as Garza is better now, and even that's arguable.

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man wtf

uzr has young at 15 runs below average in the field last year. VORP has young at 5 runs above replacement and 16 runs below average last year. young is seriously terrible. dude is not going to turn into miguel cabrera.

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You're looking at it as Garza is better now, and even that's arguable.

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young is seriously terrible. dude is not going to turn into miguel cabrera.

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Is this some kind of level?

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I just find Young's walkrate over the last two years to be terribly alarming.

[rwperu34]

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I just find Young's walkrate over the last two years to be terribly alarming.

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Obviously it's a red flag and Young is not the sure fire HOFer that some people made him out to be. Still, thanks to his tools, he's still got a bunch of superduperstar at the top of his range, it's just no lock. His floor is pretty high also. For example, his EV is still greater than guys like Adam Jones and Jay Bruce while those guys EV is greater than Garza.

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I just find Young's walkrate over the last two years to be terribly alarming.

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Obviously it's a red flag and Young is not the sure fire HOFer that some people made him out to be. Still, thanks to his tools, he's still got a bunch of superduperstar at the top of his range, it's just no lock. His floor is pretty high also. For example, his EV is still greater than guys like Adam Jones and Jay Bruce while those guys EV is greater than Garza.

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Meh. EV isn't that important with prospects. Also you seem fixated on "toolsy" guys. Not dudes who play baseball really good. Which seems a much better indicator of success.

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I just find Young's walkrate over the last two years to be terribly alarming.

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Obviously it's a red flag and Young is not the sure fire HOFer that some people made him out to be. Still, thanks to his tools, he's still got a bunch of superduperstar at the top of his range, it's just no lock. His floor is pretty high also. For example, his EV is still greater than guys like Adam Jones and Jay Bruce while those guys EV is greater than Garza.

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Meh. EV isn't that important with prospects. Also you seem fixated on "toolsy" guys. Not dudes who play baseball really good. Which seems a much better indicator of success.

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???? EV isn't important? How can you look at anything but EV when evaluating a player? You can put the wieght wherever you want (future, now..etc), but it's all just EV.

Tools=ceiling. That gives you two things you like in an unproven commoditiy-a higher EV and more superstar outcomes.

What is it about Delmon Young that leads you to think he doesn't play baseball really good? Because he had a bad year in the show at age 21? Young is light years ahead of just about everybody entering their age 22 season in terms of baseball skill. It's not like the Rays traded him for a 27 year old in the prime of his career. This is a 24 year old pitcher with 130 big league innings under his belt!

[Thremp]

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I just find Young's walkrate over the last two years to be terribly alarming.

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Obviously it's a red flag and Young is not the sure fire HOFer that some people made him out to be. Still, thanks to his tools, he's still got a bunch of superduperstar at the top of his range, it's just no lock. His floor is pretty high also. For example, his EV is still greater than guys like Adam Jones and Jay Bruce while those guys EV is greater than Garza.

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Meh. EV isn't that important with prospects. Also you seem fixated on "toolsy" guys. Not dudes who play baseball really good. Which seems a much better indicator of success.

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???? EV isn't important? How can you look at anything but EV when evaluating a player? You can put the wieght wherever you want (future, now..etc), but it's all just EV.

Tools=ceiling. That gives you two things you like in an unproven commoditiy-a higher EV and more superstar outcomes.

What is it about Delmon Young that leads you to think he doesn't play baseball really good? Because he had a bad year in the show at age 21? Young is light years ahead of just about everybody entering their age 22 season in terms of baseball skill. It's not like the Rays traded him for a 27 year old in the prime of his career. This is a 24 year old pitcher with 130 big league innings under his belt!

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Expected value is a poor term due to the variance inherent in this type of "stuff". Putting together a roster of the highest "EV" players or whatever you want to call them would be a pretty piss poor way to manage a team. You'd end up with dismal black holes and superstars at random positions and this doesn't even really take into account the fact some teams have a cyclical pattern in competition. If the Rays feel they are ready to go in the next few years, they may not want to wait for Young who may or may not develop.

As an aside the outrage over this v the willingness for wanting to the Yanks to part with Melky is mindboggling.

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You're looking at it as Garza is better now, and even that's arguable.

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young is seriously terrible. dude is not going to turn into miguel cabrera.

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Is this some kind of level?

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Jose Tabata caliber talent obv.