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Old 10-15-2007, 03:55 PM
keikiwai keikiwai is offline
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Default Re: mid pair vs. aggro reg

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You'd better have a plan for all three streets if you want to call here.

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not really. why cant u call/fold turn ui?

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so you're drawing to a 5 outer (10% to hit on turn)?

what is a call/fold? are you calling or are you folding?

calling cr and calling turn ui seems especially bad on this board w/o history

i assume you called - what happened next?
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Old 10-15-2007, 04:24 PM
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Default Re: mid pair vs. aggro reg

I'm not saying calling the flop to fold the turn UI is a good line, it was just a possible line. villains total range is fairly wide in this spot but the range of hands that are actually looking for value is quite small.

sets - only 3 combos of 22, 1 combo of 88, 3 combos of QQ but very unlikely since he just called preflop.

top pair - AQ/KQ, definitely possible but I think AQ gets 3bet by this villain a large percentage of the time so it should be discounted somewhat. and while he's aggro, he's not stupid. most regs aren't raising KQ on the flop for value
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Old 10-15-2007, 04:57 PM
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Default Re: mid pair vs. aggro reg

I hate folding in spots like this were villain is repping such a tiny range of hnds that beat you but w/ no history against a guy w/ tightish stats I'd prolly still fold for teh time being.

Also i'd check flop a decent amount.
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Old 10-15-2007, 05:06 PM
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Default Re: mid pair vs. aggro reg

I'm with 2Paul2 on this one. I'd fold the first time but def. make a note of this; he is really repping a tight range. Also w/ no history I like your cbet.
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Old 10-15-2007, 07:52 PM
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Default Re: mid pair vs. aggro reg

check flop- he's not going to float you OOP
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Old 10-15-2007, 08:26 PM
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Default Re: mid pair vs. aggro reg

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check flop- he's not going to float you OOP

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yeah but my hand is best here a ton and villain can have up to 10 outs w/ a lot of hands
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Old 10-15-2007, 09:06 PM
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ok, so most everyone wants to fold the flop... I ended up calling as u guys probably guessed. he's just repping such a tight range here and its such a dry flop, I think he expects me to bet/fold here a lot w/out a hand.

so after I tank for a bit on the flop (10-15 secs maybe) he leads out on the turn almost instantly.

Full Tilt Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

SB: $99
BB: $194.10
UTG: $65.10
MP: $77.40
CO: $103.50
Hero (BTN): $137.50

Pre-Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)
3 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $3.50</font>, SB folds, BB calls $2.50

Flop: ($7.50) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $6</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to $18.50</font>, Hero calls $12.50

Turn: ($44.50) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $35</font>,
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Old 10-15-2007, 09:10 PM
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Default Re: mid pair vs. aggro reg

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ok, so most everyone wants to fold the flop... I ended up calling as u guys probably guessed. he's just repping such a tight range here and its such a dry flop, I think he expects me to bet/fold here a lot w/out a hand.

so after I tank for a bit on the flop (10-15 secs maybe) he leads out on the turn almost instantly.

Full Tilt Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

SB: $99
BB: $194.10
UTG: $65.10
MP: $77.40
CO: $103.50
Hero (BTN): $137.50

Pre-Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)
3 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $3.50</font>, SB folds, BB calls $2.50

Flop: ($7.50) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $6</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to $18.50</font>, Hero calls $12.50

Turn: ($44.50) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $35</font>,

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lol, i can see where this is going
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Old 10-16-2007, 02:05 AM
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Default Re: mid pair vs. aggro reg

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lol, i can see where this is going

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not really, I get boned on the river. regardless of results I think between the flop/turn decisions this was probably the most interesting hand i've played in the last month.
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Old 10-16-2007, 02:59 AM
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Default Re: mid pair vs. aggro reg

i guess i'm spewier than everyone else in this thread, but i call flop intending to shove over a turn bet. villain is repping 22 (of which there are 3 combos) or 88 (only 1 combo). and really not a lot else. i'm just not gonna give a 19/15 credit for being creative enough to turn up with like KQ or something here.

then if he does have the set, my image will be terrific [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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