critique a low limit razz hand

[greyhawke54]

I am thinking that I should have slowed down on the river here, but other than that I think it is pretty standard.

Razz ($0.25/$0.50), Ante $0.05, Bring-In $0.10 (converter)

3rd Street - (1.40 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___brings-in___folds
Seat 2: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 3: xx xx J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds
Hero: 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___completes___calls
Seat 5: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___raises
Seat 6: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 7: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds

4th Street - (5.80 SB)

Hero: 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___bets
Seat 5: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls

5th Street - (3.90 BB)

Hero: 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___bets
Seat 5: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls

6th Street - (5.90 BB)

Hero: 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___bets___raises
Seat 5: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___raises___calls

River - (11.90 BB)

Hero: 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___bets___raises___calls
Seat 5: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] xx___raises___raises

Total pot: (19.90 BB - $9.95)

[ceegee]

can't see anything I'd do differently, I don't have the odds of everything, but unless he has some sick hole cards, he's probably way behind on 5th

[Praxising]

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can't see anything I'd do differently, I don't have the odds of everything, but unless he has some sick hole cards, he's probably way behind on 5th

[/ QUOTE ]I don't think so. I think we can assume Seat 5 has some good hole cards, what with the raising the completion. By 5th:

5th Street - (3.90 BB)

Hero: 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___bets
Seat 5: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls

So what's he calling on? Probably something like 8642, the best Hero can have is a made 87 which Seat 5 can see, so he's drawing to a better hand. So on 6th:

6th Street - (5.90 BB)

Hero: 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___bets___raises
Seat 5: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___raises___calls

Now Seat 5 has made his hand - Hero sucked out with that 2 making a 7 instead of an 8. And, I presume, won the hand. But I don't think Seat 5 was that far behind on 5th. Hero pairs or picks up a 6 or better on 7th and he's toast.

Nice when the luck fairy squats on your cards.

[RandomUser]

I don't think it is worth it to reraise on the river with a 7-5.

He obviously made an 8 on 6th and then improved on 7th. I'm just not sure you are ahead often enough to reraise.

[Alchemist]

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I don't think it is worth it to reraise on the river with a 7-5.

He obviously made an 8 on 6th and then improved on 7th. I'm just not sure you are ahead often enough to reraise.

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This was my thinking as well--particularly considering all the action on 6th.

[DJ Sensei]

looks fine until 7th, and there i'd probably just call his raise.

[ceegee]

ya forgot to include, i wouldn't bet so much on 7th, he possibly made his hand by then

[greyhawke54]

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I don't think so. I think we can assume Seat 5 has some good hole cards, what with the raising the completion. By 5th:

5th Street - (3.90 BB)

Hero: 5 A 3 7 8___bets
Seat 5: xx xx 4 Q 8___calls

So what's he calling on? Probably something like 8642, the best Hero can have is a made 87 which Seat 5 can see, so he's drawing to a better hand. So on 6th:

6th Street - (5.90 BB)

Hero: 5 A 3 7 8 2___bets___raises
Seat 5: xx xx 4 Q 8 A___raises___calls

Now Seat 5 has made his hand - Hero sucked out with that 2 making a 7 instead of an 8. And, I presume, won the hand. But I don't think Seat 5 was that far behind on 5th. Hero pairs or picks up a 6 or better on 7th and he's toast.



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How did Hero suck out here again? Hero could not be anthing but ahead here. Even if you put villian on A24 hero is 65-35 on 5th street and that came down from 70-30 on 4th street. 6th street would have completely sunk him if you put him on A24. If you give him 234 hero is still 60-40 fav on 5th street. Not exactly what one would call sucking out. Villian actually had either 354 or 654 cannot tell for sure because site suffles hole cards. Giving villian the best possible hand Hero is still a clear favorite. I also think that you are forgetting that Hero has a better made hand as well as the chance to improve as well.

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Nice when the luck fairy squats on your cards.

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Yes it is nice when the luck fairy squats on your cards. However you will have to ask the villian how that feels. As all the luck fairy did on my cards was take a steaming dump.

Showdown
Villian:shows [6c 5c 4d Qc 8h Ac 3c] 6,5,4,3,A

Hero:mucked [Th 5d 3h 7c 8c 2h Ah] - 7,5,3,2,A

remember site shuffles hole cards.

[Praxising]

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How did Hero suck out here again? Hero could not be anthing but ahead here. Even if you put villian on A24 hero is 65-35 on 5th street and that came down from 70-30 on 4th street. 6th street would have completely sunk him if you put him on A24. If you give him 234 hero is still 60-40 fav on 5th street. Not exactly what one would call sucking out. Villian actually had either 354 or 654 cannot tell for sure because site suffles hole cards. Giving villian the best possible hand Hero is still a clear favorite. I also think that you are forgetting that Hero has a better made hand as well as the chance to improve as well.

Yes it is nice when the luck fairy squats on your cards. However you will have to ask the villian how that feels. As all the luck fairy did on my cards was take a steaming dump.

Showdown
Villian:shows [6c 5c 4d Qc 8h Ac 3c] 6,5,4,3,A

Hero:mucked [Th 5d 3h 7c 8c 2h Ah] - 7,5,3,2,A

remember site shuffles hole cards.

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Sorry about the loss - looks like you both hit a dream card on the river. Only his was dreamier. Look, all I was saying was - if I had 4 to a 8-less-then-seven hand when I'm sure my opponent has 87, I'm going to the river.

This is just one of those crappy hands that someone is going to lose a lot of money on. It's easy to say in hindsight "Hero should have slowed down" at some point. But then if Hero does slow down and win, then they say, "You missed a bet."

I just always assume my 87s are beaten (unless I have board lock) and play them with extreme caution. But that's just my way - your mileage may vary.

[2461Badugi]

You should have slowed down on the river here, but other than that it's pretty standard.