Is this an instacall for you? (WSOP ME big draw)

[aaronbeen]

it's a fold either way but which flop card is the nonheart is important

[adanthar]

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Just to confirm something, we'd rather call with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] than K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], right?

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we instacall with that. but yes, KJ is a fold.

[registrar]

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What If he raises to 70k? Do you guys fold, shove, call?

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This was my question too.

[s33w33d]

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It's the nut flush draw or a nervous older guy with a huge hand. Either one is very bad for you.

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My initial reaction when Yuv first told me the hand was to call, but after further analysis, I really agree with the above statement here. Even if we learned later that he wasn't a "nervous old guy," you still have to run with whatever read you did have at the time, which wasn't much at all.

A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] might be good enough to get me towards a call because we're never killed by another FD, we occasionally kill another FD, and our A is more likely to be an out when we're up against a big pair.

Just to confirm something, we'd rather call with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] than K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], right?

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Hmmm, good question - I'd of course rather have A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] there, naturally. I'd probably like 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] just because I know my 9 and 7 are likely outs - it's possible the K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] has the K and J both being no g00t.

[Yuv]

I'm pretty sure the 7 was a heart, Aaron. I can't remember if it was the 5 or the 2.

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What If he raises to 70k? Do you guys fold, shove, call?

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This was my question too.

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The avaerage semi-aggro live player will CR/fold with a decent amount of hands here. I think this is a super-easy jam.

[s33w33d]

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What If he raises to 70k? Do you guys fold, shove, call? I had a lot of problem dealing with big draws deep stacked, when facing resistence. Online you just jam it cause you're always priced in. Here this wasn't the case.

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I think you always fold to a raise here.

[Bakes]

no i would definitely jam over 70k, he could be raise/folding his 88 to see where its at, for instance.

[Ansky]

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What If he raises to 70k? Do you guys fold, shove, call? I had a lot of problem dealing with big draws deep stacked, when facing resistence. Online you just jam it cause you're always priced in. Here this wasn't the case.

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I think you always fold to a raise here.

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pretty much always jam if he raises to 70k.

[Todd Terry]

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What If he raises to 70k? Do you guys fold, shove, call? I had a lot of problem dealing with big draws deep stacked, when facing resistence. Online you just jam it cause you're always priced in. Here this wasn't the case.

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I think you always fold to a raise here.

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pretty much always jam if he raises to 70k.

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Agreed. His range is wide (including overpair, top pair, middle pair, pure move, flush draw). You have serious fold equity, and from 9-15 outs. You probably even get a nut flush draw to fold as well (unless he has a pair), so you don't have to worry about the flush cards not being outs.