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I love it and order whenever i go out. 7 15.56%
I like to drink wine with dinner. 10 22.22%
I'll take a glass if offered at a dinner party. 16 35.56%
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Old 07-27-2007, 05:54 PM
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Default Re: Let\'s lobby Sen. Barack Obama

GREAT engineer, lets really start promoting this. I will post shortly on several sites I also post on (and add to a few blogs I am at as well) and hopefully others will and keep the posts updated with reminders throught the week.

I only wish the PPA would have some initiave like this.

obg
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Old 07-27-2007, 06:01 PM
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When it comes to "big government", Obama is fully in support of it. A lot of his policies are downright socialist. He is not the man to back for online poker's future.

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Regulating online poker will create more government bureaucracy. Big government is not inconsistent with the idea of legalizing and regulating online poker.
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Old 07-27-2007, 08:01 PM
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3 against and 3 for, so far.

You guys don't want Obama's support because you don't support him for president? I don't get it. Can someone explain this?
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Old 07-27-2007, 10:49 PM
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I vote for Obama...the arguments against this so far are close to ignorant IMO
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Old 07-27-2007, 11:01 PM
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I vote for Obama...the arguments against this so far are close to ignorant IMO

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I'm trying to imagine the NRA not accepting the support of any senator. I'm also trying to imagine NRA members not calling a potentially supportive senator and top-tier presidential candidate to ask for support on gun rights, especially after a gun ban was passed.
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Old 07-28-2007, 01:46 AM
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I vote for Obama...the arguments against this so far are close to ignorant IMO

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I'm trying to imagine the NRA not accepting the support of any senator. I'm also trying to imagine NRA members not calling a potentially supportive senator and top-tier presidential candidate to ask for support on gun rights, especially after a gun ban was passed.

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Exactly. In fact, this is a great example. Especially if that senator had a gun himself, knew how to operate a gun, and was a republican (or on the side who historically backed their organization).

The only difference is that a Senator knows how their state can profit from allowing the NRA to exist and taxing gun sales, whereas most senators may not realize the profits from the legalization and taxation of poker.

To those saying the taxation of poker could make the online game worse... Think about the amount of fishy players found in a local casino or home game, and think how the games would be if these players knew it was legal to play online.
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Old 07-28-2007, 09:44 AM
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I vote for Obama...the arguments against this so far are close to ignorant IMO

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Old 07-28-2007, 11:33 AM
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GREAT engineer, lets really start promoting this. I will post shortly on several sites I also post on (and add to a few blogs I am at as well) and hopefully others will and keep the posts updated with reminders throught the week.

I only wish the PPA would have some initiave like this.

obg

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I saw your blog entry on Obama's site. Well done! Hopefully people will start to see that freedom matters in America.
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Old 07-28-2007, 11:37 AM
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I have no opinion on this candidate. From what little I do know about politics, someone who a top tier candidate from president will not stick his neck out on this issue.

It has very little hope of helping him, but could hurt him drastically in the feeding frenzy that has started in this race.

Eng, it may be helpful to at least let him know that many Americans still enjoy the game, but I wouldn't count on getting his stance on the issue anytime soon.
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Old 07-28-2007, 11:55 AM
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I have no opinion on this candidate.

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That's okay. Again, we're asking him to support us, not the reverse. We don't have to support him at all to ask him to vote for us.


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From what little I do know about politics, someone who a top tier candidate from president will not stick his neck out on this issue.

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They won't if we don't ask, that's for sure. It seems many politicians have just assumed Americans either wanted prohibition or didn't care. We were too quiet. Now these guys are starting to hear from us. Our best strategy is to make a lot of noise.

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It has very little hope of helping him, but could hurt him drastically in the feeding frenzy that has started in this race.

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I think many of us believe this from hearing this in the media, but I don't think that makes it true. First of all, not so many people are in favor of big government prohibition on behavior, really. Of those who do, Obama likely isn't their candidate. Secondly, the House hearings on 6/8 showed that we do have a valid position that can win debates and hearings.

I tried to share with the senator various ways supporting us can help him. Will it work? I don't know, but it beats not asking out of fear that our position cannot stand public scrutiny. I honestly believe supporting our position will help Obama in the race more than it will hurt him. This is just my personal opinion -- I have no data -- so feel free to disagree.

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Eng, it may be helpful to at least let him know that many Americans still enjoy the game, but I wouldn't count on getting his stance on the issue anytime soon.

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I don't disagree at all. I'm far from counting on anything here. Rather, as we need some Senate support, he's the logical one to ask. Is it a longshot? Of everything we've done this year, what wasn't a longshot when we started? [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Our odds are better if we do this than if we don't, so I hope we'll all give it a shot. What do you say? Are you in?
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