Beat: Absolute is *actually* rigged (serious) (read me)

[adanthar]

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The idiots(including nath and andathar) who didn't think op could be manipulated in some way and constantly flamed the curiosity of those who questioned the legitmacy of online poker have suddendly had a change of mind....lol about time bozo's.

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you're still dumb and you keep misspelling my name. also, I repeatedly said that off topic conspiracy theory crap is not welcome ITT. now you're taking some time off. bye.

[z28dreams]

I'm grunching on this thread, but my guess is that there aren't actual "superuser" accounts. It's much more likely that if there is cheating, they are viewing your cards through a trojan horse.

There are millions of infected 'zombie' PC's out there. It wouldn't be too difficult to write a script that could pull data from poker software in real time.

An fairly well known PHP spider-crawler author at the DC PHP convention disclosed to the room that there are many trojans out there that are doing exactly this already.

If you play high stakes, I'd highly suggest scanning for spyware, and possibly giving yourself a clean re-format if you want to be sure your system is clean.

I'd also be very careful about installing 3rd party poker applications.

[teddyFBI]

<font color="blue"> Hold Your Horses</font>
I'm going to post a HH that goes COUNTER to the current hypothesis. It's a hand where an opponent moves all in on the river, and ***DOUBLEDRAG CALLS WITH A WORSE HAND*** But not just any worse hand: bottom pair. On no planet does this make sense. It doesn't make sense if he CAN see hole cards, and it doesn't make sense if he CANT.

STAGE #756266573: HOLDEM NO LIMIT $30 - 2007-09-07 21:58:59 (ET)

Table: BEATY AVE (Real Money) Seat #5 is the dealer

Seat 5 - HOWDUZZYDOIT ($16.50 in chips)
Seat 1 - FRISCOMELT ($8301 in chips)
Seat 2 - FU_BEGGAR ($6000 in chips)
Seat 4 - DOUBLEDRAG ($2365 in chips)
FRISCOMELT - Posts small blind $15
FU_BEGGAR - Posts big blind $30
*** POCKET CARDS ***
DOUBLEDRAG - Raises $90 to $90
HOWDUZZYDOIT - Folds
FRISCOMELT - Calls $75
FU_BEGGAR - Folds
*** FLOP *** [6d 4d Kc]
FRISCOMELT - Checks
DOUBLEDRAG - Bets $90
FRISCOMELT - Calls $90
*** TURN *** [6d 4d Kc] [Jc]
FRISCOMELT - Checks
DOUBLEDRAG - Bets $480
FRISCOMELT - Calls $480
*** RIVER *** [6d 4d Kc Jc] [2c]
<font color="red">FRISCOMELT - Bets $7170
DOUBLEDRAG - All-In $1705
FRISCOMELT - returned ($5465) : not called</font>
*** SHOW DOWN ***
FRISCOMELT - Shows [8c 7c] (Flush, king high)
DOUBLEDRAG - Mucks
FRISCOMELT Collects $4758 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($4760) | Rake ($2)
Board [6d 4d Kc Jc 2c]
Seat 1: FRISCOMELT (small blind) won Total ($4758) HI$4758) wit Flush, king high [8c 7c - B:Kc,B:Jc,P:8c,P:7c,B:2c]
Seat 2: FU_BEGGAR (big blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 4: DOUBLEDRAG HI: [Mucked] [Qs 2s]
Seat 5: HOWDUZZYDOIT (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS

[primetime32]

These stats don't convince me. Its surely something that needs to be explained, but it certainly wouldn't be enough to convict someone in a court of law. Especially since we are just talking about a couple of hands. if he was pulling these numbers over 20,000 hands that would be a little more convincing.

The problem we have is that AP will do its best to hide any possible cheating. So we may never get to the bottom of this.

[adanthar]

hmm, he only has 2300 in that HH. what's the rest of that session like?

if nothing else that could be the misclick, lol.

[Klompy]

Perhaps there isn't a trojan on that guys computer? Maybe improving his image?

[blackize]

Could that hand be the chipdumping we've heard about?

[DopamineRelease]

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hmm, he only has 2300 in that HH. what's the rest of that session like?

if nothing else that could be the misclick, lol.

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Or he could just be chip dumping to someone he possibily knows? Who knows...

[pokerchap]

Does anyone agree alot of this stuff is so worthless. To me, its pretty clear these guys are cheating. They are obviously going to occassionally lose big pots so they dont get busted?????
ex. calling the river with Q2 bottom pair on a crazy board and the combination of their VPIP makes their oppenents think they are awful (for more profit ldo) and makes ppl like you fall for their trap. pretty simple to me. hands like these are them trying to prove they dont cheat and some of you are falling for it