Poker In Colorado?

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RR I was wondering why we can't get a weekly tourment like this one I think you could run it on fri sat or sunday at noon or 1 pm.I think all of the colorado players on here and just about every local player I know (most of which don't go up to the hill anymore due to many of the same complaints) would make the drive up to play. I know they are going up for the hpt. that got a little long winded sorry but here is the type of tourny that I think many would like to see.

Game Type: NL Hold'em
Day of Week: Fr,Sa,Su
Time of Day: 12:00 PM
Total Buy In: 330
Admin Free: 30
Fees Returned: 90%
Rebuy: No
Rebuy Description:

Addon: Yes
Addon Description:
$10 staff add on for 2500 in chips. Must be taken at sign up. Included in starting chip count. This is included in total buy in and admin fee, but is optional.
Starting Chip Count: 10000

Level Time: 00:40
Avg Tourney Length: 7-8 hours
Blind Structure:
1st Level - $25-$50
2nd Level - $50-$100
3rd Level - $100-$200
4th Level $25 $100-$200
5th Level $25 $200-$400
6th Level $50 $300-$600
7th Level $75 $400-$800
8th Level $100 $600-$1200
9th Level $200 $800-$1,600
10th Level $300 $1,000-$2,000
11th Level $500 $1,500-$3,000
12th Level $500 $2,000-$4,000
13th Level $1,000 $3,000-$6,000
14th Level $1,000 $4,000-$8,000
15th Level $2,000 $6,000-$12,000
16th Level $3,000 $8,000-$16,000
17th Level $4,000 $10,000-$20,000
18th Level $5,000 $15,000-$30,000
19th Level $5,000 $20,000-$40,000
20th Level $10,000 $30,000-$60,000
21st Level $15,000 $60,000-$120,000
22nd Level $15,000 $80,000-$160,000

These would be great and would get many up the hill and into the cash games that just don't go anymore.

[RR]

That is a structure I have seen a decent bit. A couple of notes on long tournaments. We have not been able to get approval for a dealer add-on or withholding a portion of the prize pool so if we lengthen tournaments much we will be losing dealers (we had one today where they made less than $2/down). Our tournaments as they are aren't making enough money. There is a tradeoff; we could have longer, better structures, but the price would be higher.

We have been getting 70 (+ or - 10) players for the 300 on Sundays. They tell me this number will go down greatly at we get into football season. The tournament starts at 3 and ends around midnight giving 9 hours of play. If we added antes we could get it over with quicker. It has 30 minute levels and moves pretty slow. If it was extended the juice would have to go up and poker players really don't like that. Also we have to leave room to make sure it ends before closing time; nobody want to play all day and then count chips at 1;30 to see who wins.

[Tony Tone]

That tournament is almost identical to the sunday tournament that the Gilpin runs.

[jackhigh]

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That is a structure I have seen a decent bit. A couple of notes on long tournaments. We have not been able to get approval for a dealer add-on or withholding a portion of the prize pool so if we lengthen tournaments much we will be losing dealers (we had one today where they made less than $2/down). Our tournaments as they are aren't making enough money. There is a tradeoff; we could have longer, better structures, but the price would be higher.

We have been getting 70 (+ or - 10) players for the 300 on Sundays. They tell me this number will go down greatly at we get into football season. The tournament starts at 3 and ends around midnight giving 9 hours of play. If we added antes we could get it over with quicker. It has 30 minute levels and moves pretty slow. If it was extended the juice would have to go up and poker players really don't like that. Also we have to leave room to make sure it ends before closing time; nobody want to play all day and then count chips at 1;30 to see who wins.

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This is an excellent tourney. Antes would make it even better and end it a little sooner.

[CincyLady]

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RR,
If you reply with the standard "prove it" or "this is hard to prove" - I will respond with a laundry list of examples. So please lets not waste eachothers time!

I, and many others, simply don't play there anymore because of this... but I still stand by my accusation.

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Typically when this sort of accusation is made they claim that they are trying to trap people in the middle etc. If someone attempts to collude in this manner it just won't be effective because they are laying 2:1 (or more if you think they are raising more than 2 ways). What successful colluders do is play best hand play best hand and fold hands they otherwise wouldn't rather than lay odds to their opponents. If you have some specific examples I would be happy to look at them, but in almost every case of these allegations they are made by people that hate variance that think when people start raising because it is fun they must be colluding.

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RR, it's common knowledge about the Asian coluders up there in Blackhawk (They only recently started showing up at the Gilpin I'm told), they talk in their own language while in the hand, and in some cases, with the Asian dealers.

This just happened to a friend of mine this past week, when he played in your room.

All of sudden this woman was on fire, couldn't lose a hand if her life depended on it, all the while, talking in Asian with the Asian dealer.

My friend would be betting the crap out of the hand, and sure enough, she'd get her belly buster straight, or runner runner flush on the river.

She'd then tip the dealer big, and on to the next hand.

Now, even if the dealer isn't in on it, it sure smells funny to the other players, if they are talking it up in Asian with the Asian player.

You should warn you dealers that if someone is speaking in a forign langauge, that only english must be used, and to enforce the rule, and for the dealers to never speak with a fellow countryman/woman in their native tounge (that is not English) while a hand is in play.

To not do that, gives the appearance that your dealers are coluding with one or more of the players.

The English rule needs to be STRONGLY enforced, as the game in Blackhawk is hard enough to beat, without this factor in play.

One way to perhaps stop this as well, is that since all the rooms in Blackhawk allow for a hand that goes all the way to showdown to be seen at the request of the player(s) that were in the hand all the way to showdown, is to perhaps modify it like some rooms have done.

That is, to allow ANYONE at the table to request to see any hand called to showdown.

After all, that is the REAL reason that rule was started in the first place, not because as most think, 'Well, I paid to see the hand, so I should get to'.

It's really there to help prevent this very type of colusion in the first place.

Last of all, if a coluder is caught, or even suspected, they need to be at the very least, suspended for a month or something like that, and if it keeps happening, banned forever from the room.

As for me, after last night, I've decided to put a perma ban on playing live action poker in Colorado. I'll stick to tournaments, as at the very least in those (unlike live action), I normally get more play there than in a slot machine.

[JackInDaCrak]

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As far as this goes, it means its up to Gilpin/Lodge to decide how many places pay. Why then would they not allow 6 players to chop when all wanted to. The lady was very adamant that Gaming won't allow more than 5 spots paid

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It was previously 5 players. There was a very recent (June 1?) where it was changed to the number of places paid. IF the tournament is advertised as paying 5 places there cannot be a 6 way deal.

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So, it used to be restricted to 5 place payouts and only recently changed?

[CincyLady]

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They sit there and talk in their language with each other, sometimes even with the dealers themselves, and when we try to get the rule of 'English only' enforced, normally all it draws is shrugged shoulders from the floor staff.

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they are allowed to do this as long as there is no hand taking place, there is no rule (usually) about people talking in a foreign language in between hands.

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TT, that is not however what is happening here though. They are talking with each other when one or more are in the hand, and even worse, they sometimes (while they are in the hand) talk with the asian dealers who in turn talk back to them in their native (not english) tounge.

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I truly HATE living in Colorado because the poker sucks sooo badly! [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

I'm looking for every opportunity to be rid of this place, and move someplace where I can play REAL poker on a regular basis.

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Move up to a limit where they respect your raises. And yes, I am dissing you for saying that.

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Before you 'diss' me, please know all the facts about what its like here TT. As for moving up in levels, that's the problem here TT, I'd LOVE to move up (or rather return) to N/L, or even higher limit (before I moved here, my idea of low limit was 10/20 limit).

However, the ONLY limit allowed here is 2-5 and 5-5 as the law in colorado the max bet allowed is only 5 bucks (FWIW, they play the same in the 5-5 as well) for Casinos, and it's been that way for over 15 years I'm told, since the Casino's open.


They don't charge a big blind btw, only a small blind, so in reality, it's either 2-5 limit (with the first orbit only costing 2 bucks to get in), and in the 5-5 it's 5 bucks an orbit.

THIS is why I hate living here, because of the damm Colorado laws for poker.

FWIW, I'm taking my own advice to heart of what I said in regards to the thread about NY Clubs being busted, and instead of JUST whining about ( [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] ) it, I'm also writing to my representatives here in Colorado, trying to find at least ONE with the guts to try to sponsor a bill get that law changed, to at the very least, allow for poker laws simular to the ones in Florida.

[CincyLady]

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As far as this goes, it means its up to Gilpin/Lodge to decide how many places pay. Why then would they not allow 6 players to chop when all wanted to. The lady was very adamant that Gaming won't allow more than 5 spots paid

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It was previously 5 players. There was a very recent (June 1?) where it was changed to the number of places paid. IF the tournament is advertised as paying 5 places there cannot be a 6 way deal.

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So, it used to be restricted to 5 place payouts and only recently changed?

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FYI, I moved here to Colorado in March of 2006, and it's been 10 percent of the field payouts, since I got here.

[CincyLady]

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Let's clarify.. Every legit card room has an English only rule. The dealer at the tourney( Gilpin, so basically same as Lodge) only enforced the rule because she was scared of losing her job due to gaming being rumored to be there.

Gaming will also visit a casino at random, or due to complaints. I'd venture to guess that it wasn't the Lodge that requested they come in, rather disgruntled players. You, as a floor rep managing the room; should put an end to anything that may cause gaming to come in.

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this is the crux of the problem here, that the English only rule is NOT being enforced in Blackhawk.

I know of someone who played at the Lodge, and this was happening (where the asians were speaking in their language) in the middle of a hand.

the Dealer did nothing, so this person I know demanded the floor to be called.

when the floor came over, and it was explained, all the floor did was shrug their shoulders, say that there was nothing they could do, and walk away.

[CincyLady]

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That is a structure I have seen a decent bit. A couple of notes on long tournaments. We have not been able to get approval for a dealer add-on or withholding a portion of the prize pool so if we lengthen tournaments much we will be losing dealers (we had one today where they made less than $2/down). Our tournaments as they are aren't making enough money. There is a tradeoff; we could have longer, better structures, but the price would be higher.

We have been getting 70 (+ or - 10) players for the 300 on Sundays. They tell me this number will go down greatly at we get into football season. The tournament starts at 3 and ends around midnight giving 9 hours of play. If we added antes we could get it over with quicker. It has 30 minute levels and moves pretty slow. If it was extended the juice would have to go up and poker players really don't like that. Also we have to leave room to make sure it ends before closing time; nobody want to play all day and then count chips at 1;30 to see who wins.

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Yes, yes, YES, please add at least one tournament a week with Antes!

I find my game lacking in this area, because I get so out of practice living here, because none of the events in Blackhawk do antes.