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Old 10-10-2007, 04:14 AM
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Default Re: 50NL; AK --> 3bet pot --> flop TPTK ->>Fold??

push flop.
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Old 10-10-2007, 04:15 AM
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Default Re: 50NL; AK --> 3bet pot --> flop TPTK ->>Fold??

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show in white plz.

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His Hand (though obviously don't be results oriented over this sample size of 1 hand):

<font color="white"> AA....I don't remember the suits. </font>
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Old 10-10-2007, 10:31 AM
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Default Re: 50NL; AK --> 3bet pot --> flop TPTK ->>Fold??

Yeah...you're right. That 3-bet preflop range is probably much tighter like QQ+,AK. I'm sure not 3-bet reraising with 66 [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Old 10-10-2007, 05:10 PM
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Default Re: 50NL; AK --> 3bet pot --> flop TPTK ->>Fold??

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push flop.

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Guess you didn't read all my replies

Anyway don't push flop.
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Old 10-10-2007, 05:21 PM
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Default Re: 50NL; AK --> 3bet pot --> flop TPTK ->>Fold??

Before looking at the white results, I say fold this. Obviously villain knows you hit the flop; and he might also know you hit it hard, and he's going to put a big bet in on the turn with the hopes of you calling it. I'd definitely give him credit for a big hand and fold it, especially with a low AF like that. Villain's big bet on the turn could also be for protection since the turn could give you outs to outdraw him.
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Old 10-10-2007, 06:25 PM
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Default Re: 50NL; AK --> 3bet pot --> flop TPTK ->>Fold??

instand fold...but I reraise pf hard and shove that flop.
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Old 10-10-2007, 06:57 PM
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Default Re: 50NL; AK --> 3bet pot --> flop TPTK ->>Fold??

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I have real problems 4-betting AK.

Im guessing the thinking goes something like:

"They normally fold when we 4-bet AK, and even when they do shove our Equity vs any hand that isnt AA is ok"

I still seem to stack of alot with this hand. Maybe im running bad.

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Against someone who who 3-bets wider than KK+, 4-betting with AK should be pretty standard. It gets better hands to fold and with most hands you don't mind if they push. You are ahead, flipping with great pot odds or a slightly worse than 2:1 dog with great pot odds (KK). The only hand you really don't want to see is AA. It seems that most people are more comfortable to 4-bet with QQ but you will be up against KK+ more often than you will with AK.

The other main point is that it makes it easier for you to get action when you 4-bet your big hands. No-one is folding JJ to your 4-bet with AA ever again.

The problem for most people with this strategy is they remember getting stacked when they run into AA but unless you are 4-betting supernits then you are probably forgetting the times that they folded what was probably a better hand or when you were flipping in a very profitable situation.

I don't hate calling in position with AK but I think 4-betting should be the default line.
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