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Old 11-25-2007, 10:08 PM
Brandonjp13 Brandonjp13 is offline
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Default 4/180, Flopped a set

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (8 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB (t1610)
BB (t6750)
Hero (t3180)
UTG+1 (t4350)
MP1 (t1775)
MP2 (t2115)
CO (t675)
Button (t1705)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t150</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, CO calls t150, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls t100.

Flop: (t475) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero??

Do we hate a check here? I feel if I bet I scare everyone out since I also raised preflop.
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Old 11-25-2007, 10:28 PM
paratacus paratacus is offline
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Default Re: 4/180, Flopped a set

I'm pretty new around here, but if you raised preflop aren't they expecting you to take control anyway? Also someone could easily have hit that Ace, or be drawing to the flush or straight. I think a bet here is needed. For both value and to protect your hand. Maybe 300 odd? I'm trying to give my thoughts to help me learn, so don't take this advice as concrete!
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Old 11-25-2007, 10:42 PM
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Default Re: 4/180, Flopped a set

Actually, take that advice as concrete.
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Old 11-26-2007, 12:13 AM
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Default Re: 4/180, Flopped a set

Absolutely must bet if you have any intention of building a pot..Check raising will only discourage action imo...by betting out, anyone w/ an A, flush or strt draw will come along..
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Old 11-26-2007, 01:11 AM
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Default Re: 4/180, Flopped a set

guess what if no one has an ace you aren't getting action anyway so lead. don't let kq get free draw.
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Old 11-26-2007, 02:37 AM
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Default Re: 4/180, Flopped a set

make a cbet. as gobucks said, you MUST build up the pot and not let free hands in.
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Old 11-26-2007, 03:29 PM
JoeyJoJo Shabadu JoeyJoJo Shabadu is offline
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Default Re: 4/180, Flopped a set

Bet the pot. Draw heavy board. Ace will give you action, you may get some draws to fold.
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Old 11-26-2007, 03:42 PM
hagbard celine hagbard celine is offline
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Default Re: 4/180, Flopped a set

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Bet the pot. Draw heavy board. Ace will give you action, you may get some draws to fold.

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We don't want draws to fold, we want draws to call without the proper odds to be doing so. A PSB accomplishes this, although I tend to not like to hit the pot button. This is a spot where I like to bet ~2/3 the pot, or slightly overbet the pot. Overbetting, IMO, is often taken as a weaker bet than 2/3-PSB. You might get someone holding an A or a FD to try and take the pot from you. But ~2/3 pot is my default.
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Old 11-26-2007, 09:53 PM
Luminaire005 Luminaire005 is offline
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Default Re: 4/180, Flopped a set

If the CO is a tight player, bet. However if he was aggressive, I'd check to see if the CO wants to go all in with his last 500. This may even induce a call from the big stack, allowing you to push him off his hand, and at that point the worst that could happen to your set is virtually break even.

However if both to CO and BB check, you must bet on the turn unless another spade shows. If the third spade comes, now you'd be looking for a boat, your betting would be borderline suicidal, and your calling requirements change accordingly.

Boils down whether or not you're willing to risk a spade on the turn.
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Old 11-26-2007, 10:06 PM
hagbard celine hagbard celine is offline
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If the CO is a tight player, bet. However if he was aggressive, I'd check to see if the CO wants to go all in with his last 500. This may even induce a call from the big stack, allowing you to push him off his hand, and at that point the worst that could happen to your set is virtually break even.

However if both to CO and BB check, you must bet on the turn unless another spade shows. If the third spade comes, now you'd be looking for a boat, your betting would be borderline suicidal, and your calling requirements change accordingly.

Boils down whether or not you're willing to risk a spade on the turn.

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This is pretty bad advice, IMO. Checking the flop after raising PF looks pretty suspicious, and allows opponents with draws to peel off a card for free.

We have the nuts right now, and we should be interested in building a pot, trying to get all the money in the middle. You don't accomplish that by checking.

I really can't even begin to express how bad checking this flop is.
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