100 Hours of....Corruption

[iron81]

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SO you are conceeding that raising the min wage costs jobs?

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Well, yeah. I've said before that the number of jobs available probably goes down when you increase the Minimum Wage. My point has always been that the increased wage for those who keep their jobs vastly outweighs the lost wage of those who lose their jobs and can't find new ones.

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"doing favors for companies in your district is completely standard and does not mean Pelosi is corrupt."

I agree it's completely standard, but it's the very definition of corruption.

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I disagree. When I said that Pelosi is doing Del Monte favors, I should have said that she is more sensitive to their concerns. But so what? Just because Pelosi takes their phone calls doesn't mean that constitutes corruption.

Also, for it to be truly corrupt, Pelosi needs to get something out of it. Is there any evidence that she's on the take? Of course not. Is there any evidence that Del Monte is making campaign contributions to the Dems in exchange for favors? No. Is there even any evidence that they contribute to the Dems at all.

Is anyone here arguing that doing something because your constituent asks you to is automatically corruption?

[hmkpoker]

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Well, yeah. I've said before that the number of jobs available probably goes down when you increase the Minimum Wage. My point has always been that the increased wage for those who keep their jobs vastly outweighs the lost wage of those who lose their jobs and can't find new ones.

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Iron-

Care to provide your reasoning? If a minimum wage kicks out the less productive and redistributes their earning opportunities to the more productive, it must be creating an income gap (albeit between the poor and poorer). Seems like if you believe in diminishing marginal utility, the best thing would be to stop protecting the more productive so that the poorer can have more work opportunity.

[BCPVP]

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My point has always been that the increased wage for those who keep their jobs vastly outweighs the lost wage of those who lose their jobs and can't find new ones.

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So what about the people you've just forced out of a job? You've also made it much more difficult to hire them again unless they become more productive all of the sudden. Or perhaps sentenced them to a life of crime and begging. If you close off the legal job market, what's left?

[Myrtle]

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SO you are conceeding that raising the min wage costs jobs?

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Well, yeah. I've said before that the number of jobs available probably goes down when you increase the Minimum Wage. My point has always been that the increased wage for those who keep their jobs vastly outweighs the lost wage of those who lose their jobs and can't find new ones.

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"doing favors for companies in your district is completely standard and does not mean Pelosi is corrupt."

I agree it's completely standard, but it's the very definition of corruption.

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I disagree. When I said that Pelosi is doing Del Monte favors, I should have said that she is more sensitive to their concerns. But so what? Just because Pelosi takes their phone calls doesn't mean that constitutes corruption.

Also, for it to be truly corrupt, Pelosi needs to get something out of it. Is there any evidence that she's on the take? Of course not. Is there any evidence that Del Monte is making campaign contributions to the Dems in exchange for favors? No. Is there even any evidence that they contribute to the Dems at all.

Is anyone here arguing that doing something because your constituent asks you to is automatically corruption?

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iron,

Have you ever run head-on into the "old boy" network in your day-to-day life?

It comes in many shapes, sizes and colors.

What Andy is getting to is that in this particular case, this example is reflective of one of the variations.

There are many layers to, and causes of corruption.

I always like to ask myself the "Why" question when I sense something is amiss.

"Why" did so-and-so do this or that?

List ALL of the options.....exclude NONE of them for consideration.

See where that line of reasoning takes you......

[Zeno]

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Nice job, Wicked Witch of the West.

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Don't you mean Ms. Bolshevik?

-Zeno

[whiskeytown]

oh that's terrible - let me take back my vote -

on second thought, let me know when her corruption has resulted in the deaths of 3K Americans and a hundred thousand Iraqi Civilians. [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

rb